Emerging ecologies of non-hierarchical organisations with Sarah Houseman

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In this episode of the Edge Dwellers Cafe Podcast, I’m joined in this spirit of Utopia-inspired critical bewilderment by Sarah Houseman to talk about her PhD research into non-hierarchical organisations. We discuss the many functional problems that arise in hierarchical organisations, from power relationships to functional organisational stupidity and leadership cults. We also explore non-hierarchy and decentralisation as alternative organisational structures, along with the challenges faced by organisations transitioning from hierarchical to horizontal structures.

00:00:00 Introduction.

00:03:55 Sarah's professional background in business and not-for-profit sector.

00:06:59 The limits of Education for Sustainability.

00:10:43 A career spent lamenting the problems of hierarchy in organisations.

00:12:50 Lineage of non-hierarchical organisational governance ideas from the 1960s social justice movements.

00:16:14 Non-hierarchy does not mean no structure.

00:17:12 Case study organisations from Sarah's research: Friends of the Earth (Melbourne),

00:21:31 Influences from recent scholarship on decentralised organisations.

00:23:21 Compatibility of online work with decentralisation.

00:24:05 Power relationships and the transition from hierarchical to horizontal organisation.

00:30:59 Sarah and Ben examine intersectional power relations in their relationship.

00:34:19 Non-hierarchical governance is based on consent.

00:37:39 The toll of psychological de-coupling and the unlearning of hierarchical roles.

00:42:18 Consent vs agreement in non-hierarchical decision-making.

00:45:10 Power, fear and functional stupidity in hierarchical organisations.

00:46:59 Anthropocene-appropriate decision-making and governance.

00:50:38 Problematising the archetype of the 'leader'.

00:54:19 Bringing ecological systems thinking and reflexivity to organisations.

00:56:56 Inter-generational shift in reflexive thinking about hierarchy.

01:00:39 Static relations of power vs dynamic relationships of care.

01:04:23 Illustrating power dynamics and organisational ecologies through drawing.

01:07:09 Creative methodologies and other ways of knowing using the Tarot.

01:10:29 The Tarot as a symbolic interpretive device for unlocking the emotional experience of working in an organisation.

01:15:51 Archetype of the 'circle' as organisational form.

01:19:21 Reflecting on the founder's dilemma in Sarah's case study organisations and in Ben's experience in the permaculture movement.

01:25:17 Organisational life cycles and generational change.

01:27:29 Balancing need for escape and healing vs need for accountability.

01:31:42 Un-learning coercion.

01:33:49 The invisible labour of women in organisations.

01:35:58 Rotation of responsibilities.

01:38:03 Conclusion.

Show links

Leadermorphosis Podcast: Ep. 24 Sarah Houseman on new governance for the Anthropocene.
Sarah Houseman. "Non-hierarchies: Creating the conditions for a new ecology of organisational governance – a response to Professor Farley". ANZSEE 2019 Conference Blog.
André Spicer. "The power of pitfalls and functional stupidity at work". TEDxWandsworth. 10 December 2016.
Brian Robertson. (2015). Holacracy: The New Management System that Redefines Management. New York: Henry Holt and Company.
Frederic Laloux. (2014). Reinventing Organizations: A Guide to Creating Organizations Inspired by the Next Stage in Human Consciousness. Brussels: Nelson Parker.
Sociocracy (Wikipedia).
Jo Freeman. "The tyranny of structurelessness".
Joyce Rothschild-Whitt. (1979). "The Collectivist Organization: An Alternative to Rational-Bureaucratic Models". American Sociological Review. 44(4), pp.509-527.
Katherine K. Chen. Enabling Creative Chaos: The Organization Behind the Burning Man Event. Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
Utopia (Australian TV series).
Charles Bramesco. "Office Space at 20: how the comedy spoke to an anxious workplace". The Guardian. 19 February 2019.

About Sarah Houseman

Governance, Systems and the Shaman | Twitter | LinkedIn

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