Invasion of the Body Snatchers

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This week we pay tribute to Donald Sutherland, who recently passed away, with the 1978 remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Along with a look at Sutherland’s performance, career and uncharacteristic magnetism, we discussed why this story has resonated with audiences throughout several generations.

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Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978)

Episode 397, 2 Guys and a Chainsaw

Todd: Hello and welcome to another episode of Two Guys and a Chainsaw. I’m Todd.

Craig: And I’m Craig.

Todd: Well, we come to you today with a tribute episode. Sadly, Donald Sutherland, a longtime actor of the silver screen, as well as a lot of horror movies that we’ve ended up doing, many mainstream ones actually, recently passed away, and we were sad to hear that, but I think that we knew of only one movie that we could, you were like, you were like, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, right?

It’s time. We’ve been talking about doing this one for quite a long time, and we’d already done Don’t Look Now, which would have been my only other suggestion, really. I mean, he’s been in a number of horror movies. You know, it’s interesting. He’s kind of one of those actors that, sometimes when we do these tributes, there’s these great actors that we know from so much stuff, but we have a really hard time finding a horror movie that they’ve been in, maybe only done once or twice.

This guy didn’t shy away from any role, really. I feel like he’s played a lot of different characters, a lot of different, I mean, God, his career, he was born in 1935, his career spanned six decades. He’s Canadian? I didn’t realize that, I thought he was American. And of course his son, Kiefer Sutherland, is one of his more famous children.

And I read that Kiefer Sutherland said, you know, my dad, he just loves acting and was a big inspiration for him getting into acting, just his passion for the craft.

Craig: I think all his kids are actors.

Todd: They are, are they? I think so. I don’t even know, I only know Kiefer. You know, I actually, I actually ran into Kiefer Sutherland in Vegas once.

Yeah. Was he an asshole? I’ve kind of heard he’s an asshole. He was Surrounded by a posse you know he’s super short which is so funny because his father is super tall yeah they’re walking around and so we kind of bumped into him and kind of said hi but I was too embarrassed to like approach him you know I just don’t know.

Yeah right so like we kind of ran I was like hey hi I’m a fan of your work is like oh hey thanks but you know he was on his way to the blackjack table and he and his little posse sat down at the blackjack table but they were like two or three empty seats and. Me and the guys I was with were like, What if we just went over and sat down or stood up?

Do you think they’d shoo us away or are they fun loving people? I don’t know. Just the vibes he was giving off, I was kinda like, Nah, probably not. We’ll probably move on.

Craig: I mean no disrespect, Kiefer Sutherland, if you’re listening to this, I’m a big fan of your work. I’ve just kinda heard. You might kind of be an asshole, but that’s fine.

Whatever. That’s okay. We’re here to talk about your father. We’re here to talk about your dad. I’m a fan of Donald Sutherland, but he’s just one of those people that we’ve talked about before. Like he’s just that guy who’s kind of always been around and he’s in a lot of stuff and he’s always good. Yeah.

He’s really versatile. I’m not surprised that he did. I mean, I’m not surprised that he didn’t shy away from any role, but specifically in horror or sci fi, like. I would say Invasion of the Body Snatchers is definitely horror, but it’s sci fi too. Like, yeah, the premise is very sci fi. He has a really unique look.

Yes. I wouldn’t even go so far to say as he’s handsome. He’s, well, he’s very tall. Yeah. You know, that’s cool. But he’s just a very distinctive look. And what I was, even in this movie, I don’t know why. But he just has like this great sex appeal. I don’t get it. I don’t understand why but they do like close ups on his face and he like He gives like looks like the to the person he’s talking to i’m like, oh my god, you are so hot like what?

Todd: That’s funny like I never thought of him that way But he does, like, I’ve always thought of him as either a little goofy or a little scary. Yeah,

Clip: yeah, yeah.

Todd: Depending on the role he’s in. He has like this intensity that is, it’s like, this is a man I don’t want to cross. But if he’s not mad at me, I feel like he could be so much fun and he might be my best friend.

You know, oh, yeah, that’s the vibe. I feel like he gives off and it really just depends on the role that he’s in How I take in his presence, you know, he

Craig: can be very sinister And I like that, you know, I think most young people know him from the Hunger Games series. Yeah. He can be sinister or jovial. I don’t know, you know, I’ve seen him in a lot of things.

For whatever reason, one of the main things that I remember him from is Animal House. Go. I forgot he was in that. My parents let me watch Animal House.

Todd: That’s crazy. Crazy. My parents forbid me from watching that. I mean, kept me from watching that movie.

Craig: Wasn’t he like, kind of like a cool professor? And he was like sleeping with one of his students.

I don’t know, he was sexy in that.

Todd: Yeah, I guess so.

Craig: I don’t know. I looked into his backstory. I’m like, Oh, I’m sure this guy has a great backstory. And he does. But his backstory is just that he was into acting and he pursued it. And he did well. And he kept getting roles. And he just kept getting more and more successful.

Like, yeah, I don’t even feel like there’s like a big break. You know, he was just doing it. You know, he studied acting, he, uh, got dual degree in acting and engineering, but then, you know, he went to London and was working on the West end. And then he started getting film roles. So he moved to Los Angeles and his career just, it just skyrocketed.

He just has the most amazing trajectory. Like I think it’s not luck. He’s not one of these guys that just got lucky. It just so happens that he’s a really talented guy.

Todd: He is. And I mean, like most actors, you know, he, he started out in theater and maybe getting some small roles in, in TV and films, I think in a lot of British stuff.

But I think it’s cool that his first big film break was alongside Christopher Lee in a couple of horror movies for Hammer. Dr. Terror’s House of Horrors and the Castle of the Living Dead in 1964. And 1965, he was in Die, Die, My Darling. Another Hammer movie. You know, that’s really apropos for what we’re talking about here, but then of course he just went on to do a whole bunch of other stuff.

I think it was his role in 1970, he was Hawkeye Pierce. That was the big one. Yeah, the movie. But

Craig: he was already doing well, you know, like.

Todd: Yeah.

Craig: He was a working actor. I mean, so many people, you know, struggle like waiting tables and whatnot. Based on the little bit of research that I did about him, it just seemed like he was just doing fine.

You know, he was working. Oh, yeah.

Todd: Consistently. He’s in. Don’t look now, in 1973, which we did, and I, I don’t remember exactly how you liked, I think you were a bit mixed on that, I loved that movie. I liked it. I liked him in it. It was weird, but he was really good in it. He was, I, man, I just, that’s one of these movies that just haunt me, I think about that movie and it just gets me emotional.

Especially now that I’m a father. Because that movie deals so much with the pain of, of a family that loses a, a son. And he’s just so intense. And I, I look back at that one scene in that movie where he picks his son up out of the water and is just wails. Oh yeah. Oh my God. Like I, it brings me to tears just thinking about that.

I just buy it a hundred percent and it’s awful. And then he was in a Fellini movie three years later. As Casanova. You say he’s sexy, and then he goes on to be in Kentucky Fried Movie, and Animal House, and then this movie, you know, Invasion of the Body Snatchers. And I think Animal House was the same year as this one.

And then he was also the same year doing The Great Train Robbery with Sean Connery. These are three big movies. If you want to steal someone’s acting career, steal this guy’s. I know.

Craig: And worked, you know? He was working. When he passed sadly at 88, 88 and still getting around and working like that is a life well lived like kudos, right?

It’s amazing. Yeah. Yeah. He’s just, he’s, he’s got this amazing voice and I don’t know. He just has kind of a calmness and a stillness. About him that is just really effective and magnetic. I’m not a bit surprised you you come across these people sometimes these Unicorns that are just brilliant at doing it.

I went to college with a girl who was one of those people She was just amazing. She could do anything She could disappear into any role and then she grew up and became an adult and doesn’t do that anymore But I feel like he’s just like he’s just so natural You He just, uh, makes every role his own. But we should get to talking about this movie, because I actually, I can’t Oh god, I feel like I say this all the time like i’m a broken record like I can’t believe I haven’t seen this But I can’t believe I haven’t seen this Is this the first time you’re seeing it too

Todd: god?

I am so sorry to say this is is and this has been on my list for years and this is a movie that even my dad has talked about picking up before like I remember when I was a kid He’s like, oh we need to watch invasion of the body statues and I never did now That said I have seen the original I have not but i’ve seen at least one of the later ones Oh, yeah, because this has been adapted, what, five or six times in one way or another?

Yeah. It’s all based on an original novel by Jack Finney. W. D. Richter wrote the screenplay for this one. And he’s done a number of science fiction novels that I think of several of them have been made into movies. This one probably the most famous. He did another novel called Time and Time Again that, uh, deals with time travel and stuff like that, but, uh, This movie, uh, I think the original, which was in 1956, You know, contemporaneous with the release of the novel, basically, is good.

You know, I kind of assumed, especially with a title like Invasion of the Body Snatchers, You know, it sounds very silly and B movie. Yeah. And it’s black and white, and, and it, And to a certain extent, it, it is a bit B movie, but it is powerful. Like, it’s one of those B movies that actually kind of almost deserves to be an A movie.

Because it’s unsettling. This movie’s unsettling. In a different way. That movie is very unsettling, not just for its time, but I just remember watching it and thinking, my God, this is, this really holds up until the end. And the end is not as bleak as the end is of this movie. And the novel ending is also not bleak.

I guess I might as well say it. The way that the novel ends is that the pod people who are invading Earth do kind of realize that the Earthlings are putting up a bit more of a struggle than they expected. And so they just kind of leave. Because this is sort of what they do. They, they go to different planets and try to take over and evolve.

The ending of the original movie wraps it up in a nice little bow, like, the authorities are onto it and it looks like everything’s gonna be solved.

Craig: Right, but this one doesn’t. This one doesn’t. And thank

Todd: God it doesn’t, because I think it suits the material so much better. And obviously we’ll talk about all this more, but, uh, I just had to get all that out.

Like, seriously, another great actor, Kevin McCarthy, so good. Yes! I love him and he is in the original and he has a cameo in this one that is just, just made me

Craig: chuckle. God, I knew nothing about this going in. I, I hadn’t read anything. I mean, I know what it’s about. It’s the invasion, like, pod people. I know what it’s It’s in the title.

Yeah,

Clip: I know what it’s

Craig: about. And I’ve definitely seen clips from it, including, you know, like the last image from the movie is I’ve seen it a million times, but never in contact,

Todd: right? And thank God for that, actually. Cause I wasn’t, Oh God,

Craig: I knew it was coming, but I was so excited. But when, what was his name?

Kevin, did you say Kevin

Todd: McCarthy?

Craig: The actor? Yeah, he gets hit by a car and he’s shouting some lines.

Clip: They’re coming! They’re coming! Listen to me! Listen! No, you better shut up and stay. Help me! You’re next! Please! Please! You’re next! We’re in danger! Please, listen to me! Something terrible! Please! You’re next! You’re the other! They’re already here! Help! You’re next! They’re coming! They’re coming!

Craig: I was like, oh my gosh.

A, what is happening? B, I know that guy. Both laugh. Every time Kevin McCarthy shows up in a movie, I’m like, Isn’t that that guy from Interspace? Like, that’s not even one of his big movies. Oh, it’s so funny. That’s the movie that, that’s the movie that I remember him from. Yeah, it wasn’t until afterwards that I looked it up and I was like, Oh my gosh, that was a cameo.

He was the,

Todd: the lead guy in the original. Don’t feel bad about thinking of Interspace first, because the first thing I think of when I think of Kevin McCarthy is UHF. The Weird Al Yankovic movie. He is so great in that. Oh, but he is a goofball in that movie. But anyway, we’re not talking about Kevin McCarthy he’s great.

Craig: No,

Todd: we’re not talking, no. I mean, we can, but.

Craig: Okay, I just want to be up front and say, I actually really liked this movie. Yeah, me too. A lot.

Todd: Me too.

Craig: I liked it a lot. And, you know, Donald Sutherland is a huge, Huge part of that, but the other part of it is that it just starts and then it just keeps going. Yes.

And when I saw that it was an hour and 55 minutes long, I’m like, Oh my God, it’s going to be so long. No, things are moving

Todd: the whole time from the very beginning and yet it’s not like A modern take on this would be, it moves in a different way. Modern movies, they move with a lot of action, and there’s like, lots of call outs and things, like, almost like you’re dumb.

I feel like modern blockbuster films feel like they really need to tell everything straight out to the audience. And leave no room for thought, you know, just boom, boom, boom from one thing to the next,

Craig: right?

Todd: This movie is so striking in that it moves and it’s compelling but it’s told in a very old style way 1970s style way of of being subtle.

Yes being quiet Being realistic. Yeah. It’s got a grittiness to it because it takes place in the city in San Francisco. That’s one of the things that they updated, you know, from the original, the original, it’s like small town.

Craig: Okay.

Todd: It’s almost like your standard sci fi B movie thing, right? They all, it’s always like the evil starts in a small town or the aliens start in a small town where everybody can easily and quickly get overwhelmed.

But then when the big city boys come in, the army gets called in and the tanks roll in and then it’s all over for the aliens usually. Right. This brought it to San Francisco, so immediately, the problem is clearly not going to get solved that easily. Because, if the aliens can overwhelm San Francisco so quickly and so easily, with all the authorities and all the power, like, what hope do we have?

What’s the next level that’s going to save us? So, I thought that was very effective, and I love seeing just the little bits and pieces, and just the little nods and the little touches that happen almost in the background at times. Blink and you miss it. Oh, yeah. Yeah of oh sinister things are happening Yeah, tons of great background stuff going on, especially in the beginning The point i’m trying to make is it’s just so respectful of its audience, you know It’s a piece of art that has layers and it expects you to catch things and if you don’t it’s okay But like it’s not spoon feeding this stuff to us and yet it still moves.

I love these kind of movies.

Craig: Yeah, I I don’t, I, I agree 100%. I don’t know that it necessarily expects you to catch things. Of course, filmmaking is, is, you know, a conglomerate of people working together on things. But the people who are making these decisions are ensuring that there are little details. In the background that some filmmakers wouldn’t concern themselves with.

Yes, and that’s not entirely fair. I’m just, I’m just saying there are like, if you’re just watching the people in the scene who are talking, you’re going to get everything you need. But if you also pay attention to the things and the actors. Especially early on, one of the things that I love most about this movie is that it’s just like, uh, the aliens are here and they’re everywhere.

Todd: It’s just, it’s constant paranoia, right? Like once you notice, like you can’t help but be looking in the background and realizing like, wait, wait, is he an alien? Wait, he’s got a, maybe she has too. Right. Yeah, it’s like

Craig: the whole thing. Cause they’re just standing there like staring. And I do love that too. I agree with you.

I feel like modern. Filmmakers feel like they have to show us everything. And I’m sure they’re right! We have super limited attention spans! Yeah, these days maybe they’ve helped with that though. Uh, that’s kind of why maybe I don’t know I don’t know, but they got they got to be flashy. They got to keep us interested They got to keep us off our phones.

This movie doesn’t have to do that. I i’m i’m still intrigued the one thing that It was a little funny to me, and again, loved it, was the very opening, where it opens on an alien planet full of like, jellyfish,

Todd: floating up into space,

Craig: and then the jellyfish fly to the earth. And turn into gloopy rain. I loved all those shots of the like gloop, like hanging off the plants and stuff.

And then they start growing spores and little pods and little flowers. And I. I loved it. Like, yes.

Todd: I love this. It’s kind of like a hearkening back, I think, also to the 1950s B movie roots. Like, even those first scenes, like, they look so B movie, just colorized. But like you said, it’s like, it’s very obvious, the spores, they’re landing, they’re little jelly things.

And then like the flowers sprout and the girls come and they pick them and they’re like, oh, what pretty flowers. And the teacher in the park is like, Go ahead, pick all the pretty flowers you can find. Yeah. And our main character also grabs one and takes one home, and this is five minutes into the movie.

Like, we are sad. Yes! We know what’s happening.

Craig: Yeah, and she puts it in the vase right next to the bed, right next to her boyfriend. And then, the next morning, again, we are like, Five minutes into this movie, then the very next morning, her boyfriend is acting weird. It’s

Todd: so funny.

Craig: One of the things that’s in the background, I’m going to bring it up now because it bothered me throughout the whole movie was there are like, they are just collecting garbage.

every day. Yes. And I kept like, every time someone would go dump something in the garbage, I’m like, what is that? Like, right. It was always the same thing. It was never actual garbage. It was just like some kind of. Silky

Todd: gray stuff.

Craig: And as it turns out, it’s the remains of the people that these pod people are replacing.

That’s also something that I didn’t know. My, the point that I was trying to get at is it’s literally like five to seven minutes into the movie when she goes to her friend, Donald Sutherland, and Who’s a health inspector of all things. Of

Todd: course. She just works down the hall from him, right? She’s in the lab.

I don’t know, the public lab where they do maybe forensic analysis and stuff as well as whatever. I guess?

Craig: Yeah, but five to seven minutes into it, she’s like, That’s not my husband. Mm hmm. He’s something else. He’s different on the inside. Yeah. I was so surprised that it happened so quickly. Yeah. And it just continues to happen so quickly.

Like Sutherland’s name is Matthew Bennell.

Todd: I

Craig: call him Matt cause we’re friends, but Matt goes to the. Dry cleaner and the dry cleaners like my wife. It’s not her. There’s something wrong. She’s different. It’s not her like this is happening everywhere. And in the background, while people are having these conversations, there are just there.

There was one scene in particular where I think they were in their offices. I think you’re right. I think that They’re in the same building, but they’re walking down the hall and they walk past a door and there’s just a woman standing, staring out the window. And they just walk past her, but that happens repeatedly.

And this invasion happens. So fast, but I love that.

Todd: I

Craig: actually

Todd: think that’s, I think it’s genius. You know, honestly, I post COVID. I have no complaints about that. We’ve seen how fast things can spread.

Craig: This is an alien plant. It’s an alien plant

Todd: with scores that I don’t even know. How close you have to be to it or exactly how it gets to you

Craig: It seems like you just have to be close to it You have to be close to it and asleep and asleep and when you’re asleep, then you get really chapped lips your Cheeks start to like flake and eventually I think you’re supposed to kind of be surrounded in like tendrils But they kind of drop that after a while.

Todd: Yeah, that just kind of stops happening or maybe it It happens quickly and then goes away, so by the time, like, I don’t know, I feel like it’s just a very, very, it has to be a very, very fast process. Like super

Craig: fast. I knew again. I I had the general idea of what this movie was but when I Heard invasion of the body snatchers.

I assumed that something got into these people and stole their bodies Yes, I didn’t know that it was a whole other thing. Like that was a surprise to me. I didn’t know that

Todd: Ultimately what it is it’s duplicating them Yeah, it’s duplicating their bodies and then their original body just basically shrivels into a husk and supposedly, I guess some of their personality and stuff is still in there, but they’re devoid of basically their humanity.

Craig: Spock says later, Leonard Nimoy is in this, Spock says later that like all of your memories like will be transferred, but you won’t have any emotion, like you won’t have hate or fear. I mean, we’re jumping all over the place. This is near the end of the movie, right? I mean, that’s exactly what. A pod person would say, you’ll like it.

You’ll like it better. Don’t worry. It’s better. It’s better. We all float down here. I’m just going to kill you and I’ll take your memories, but it’ll it’s fine. Don’t worry about it.

Todd: It’s interesting because these movies and the novel itself have all been, you know, discussed as in terms of political situations like, you know, in the back in the fifties, this was seen as a Metaphor for McCarthyism and the Communist Red Scare.

And that is something that the novelist absolutely denied. And the people who were making the movie denied and said, We were just, we’re really just making a thriller. We didn’t put that stuff in there. Later on, the director of the movie did admit, he’s like, look, I mean, it couldn’t be avoided that people would draw these kinds of conclusions, you know, about the film, but, you know, I didn’t actually try to make the movie about this, but I was very aware that people might draw these conclusions.

This is a different time. This is the 70s, and in some ways, the director here, Philip Kaufman, seems to have kind of a slightly different agenda that is in keeping with the times. This is the Era of self help and, uh, movements and new agey stuff. And it’s interesting that we’ve got this prominent psychiatrist in here that is played by Leonard Imhoi that you said.

Interesting to see Leonard Imhoi in a role that’s not Spock, right? He was, I think, trying for years to escape that. And he’s a damn good actor. I’ve always felt that Spock was an easy character to play. Or a really hard character to play. Maybe. To keep that interesting. Oh, to keep it interesting for sure, I guess.

And then they did play with Spock too, right? Like, Yeah. He kind of like got some, a bit of human emotion and kind of learned things. Like, you know, there’s layers to Spock, but he could never really escape the Spock character and, and get those roles. In this movie, I read that he was cast in this partly because he did want to escape that, but also they were thinking, yeah, but eventually he does kind of turn into Spock.

He turns into a similar character, so it kind of worked for him too. In that way, they knew he could pull that off. But yeah, he’s like this self help guru. And I feel like we keep bringing this up in these movies from this era, that because it was trendy at the time, you know, psychiatry and psychology, we saw in The Exorcist when we talked about it.

When all the psychiatrists and psychologists are sitting around and talking about well, what are the psychological reasons for her issues? And, uh, you know, the horror movies of this time, it seems like there’s always a psychiatrist or psychologist that’s coming in to give that scientific explanation.

Because it was. It was, like, a big deal at this time. So I think, you know, they were really playing into the pop culture. And this movie’s no different. You know, we have a psychiatrist here who’s super famous. He’s kind of a guru. He’s written books. He’s introduced to us at a book signing that Sutherland’s.

Matthew suggests to Elizabeth,

Clip: Do you want to go see my friend David Kibler? The psychiatrist? Not like that. I mean, you talk to him. I mean, he would put things into perspective for you. I’m not crazy. No, no, no. I’m serious. He would eliminate a lot of things. He would eliminate whether Jeffrey was having an affair, whether he’d become gay, whether he would, uh, had a social disease, whether he’d become a Republican.

All the alternatives, all the things that could have happened to him to have made you feel that he had changed, something that he was doing. You know what I mean? You wanna go see him?

Todd: Maybe this is reflective of your relationship with your husband. Because you get the feeling that it hasn’t been horrible, but it’s a

Craig: little, she’s, there’s a little distant from her.

Well, and she definitely wants to bone Donald Sutherland. She does,

Todd: but she resists.

Craig: And that was surprising. They have an

Todd: interesting tension between them, don’t they?

Craig: Yeah, I mean, it’s great. I mean, they are co workers, they’re friends. Like, she goes and talks to him about her relationship concerns. He’s the first one that she goes to when She’s convinced that her husband is not her husband.

They do have this great relationship, but again, it’s that Donald Sutherland thing where he’s like making them dinner or whatever, and they’re just having a very innocent conversation. But just the way that he’s looking at her, I’m like, sexy eyes. I see what you’re doing there, Mr. There’s a

Todd: bit of flirt, flirtatiousness there, but it’s almost like they do consciously.

It’s

Craig: innocent, but it’s definitely flirty. And he’s wearing a cardigan. I swear to God, I did read somewhere that there was like a theory that this is his favorite cardigan, but it’s not true. But as soon as I saw him in that cardigan, I remembered Animal House. Because in animal house, he’s like naked, except in this card again, and it looks just like this one.

And that’s how I think of Donald naked in a car again. Totally such a cute button. That movie go back and watch that movie. Ooh, what a cute, but Donald’s other one, but I kind of wanted to go back to what you were saying, this movie, like, yes, in the fifties. It resonated for a particular reason. In the seventies, it resonated for a particular reason.

I feel like there have been at least two or three more iterations of it. And for whatever reason, it always resonates with something you and I should write a movie now where the threat is AI, the invasion of the body snatchers is AI because they’re going to come and they’re going to take over our, you know, Personalities in our lives and they’ll be like you don’t need to be alive.

I remember everything, you know But but I feel like if something came out now it would resonate for that reason like because it’s always about like how you’re not Really in control of your life Right,

Todd: maybe our biggest fear is losing our humanity and we see even threats within ourselves You know in our systems and things like that that that will deprive us of our humanity or convince us that we don’t need it Anymore, or we’ll be better off without These things that quote unquote make us human because you can continue to live and do things and whatnot, but you’ll be lacking like But

Craig: not I mean, that’s the thing like that’s what the that’s what the plant aliens say Like you’ll still be here, but but no like you will be dead The copy of you you will be dead and you will be that weird ashy stuff in The garbage trucks.

Todd: Yeah,

Craig: which again I didn’t know, I didn’t really understand what was happening. This whole thing, like you already talked about them going to the Leonard Nimoy’s book signing. Why, while there, they also run into Jeff Goldblum. Yeah, Jeff Goldblum. I did not expect that. I didn’t even know Jeff Goldblum was in this movie.

I didn’t either. And he’s like 15 years old. No, I’m just kidding. He’s super young. He’s an adult, but he’s so young. He’s so young and he’s just there and I don’t even know who he is. He’s like, just like so

Todd: weird.

Craig: Poet

Todd: or something? He’s a poet. He’s the guy who’s railing against the system, and all, nobody cares about art anymore.

Nobody cares about the things that make us human. You know, he’s, he’s the guy kind of at the extreme of this, the hippie. More or less. I think he was so frantic. I didn’t really

Craig: know what was happening.

Todd: It was weird. All he does is like rail and rail and he, he sounds very like, uh, upset that he’s not as successful as this guy is.

And he, the books that of poetry that he’s written aren’t as successful as this guy’s self-help book. And

Craig: oh gosh. So then he’s there, and then he’s also married to Veronica Cartwright. Oh, Jesus.

Todd: Oh, I didn’t know she was in this movie either.

Craig: I didn’t either. She plays Nancy and she’s also very young like they’re supposed to be this young couple.

That’s weird They own a spa. They own a weird mud spa Was that a thing? I think it still is. Oh that grosses me out. Their spot grosses me

Todd: out I mean, I would want a spot that didn’t look like that. Let’s just put it that way. It’s just kind of

Craig: Yeah, it’s got like, oh, it’s so gross. Like, just like clear, like it kind of looks like a meat locker.

Like it’s just like clear plastic, like shower curtains, dividing things. And just a room with like three tubs full of mud with disgusting fat guys. Just like. Cooking in there, not to shame, disgusting fat guys. I mean, that would, you know, disgusting fat guy strong, but, uh, I would not want to go sit in some other guy’s mud.

Like that mud just was, that’s gross. Especially when it starts bubbling. And I know it looks like that. I feel like they almost made it look like it was fake. Yeah, they did.

Between their legs, yeah. Oh, God. Disgusting. Whatever, I mean that’s just, they just do, they like own this mud spa or whatever. But then, She’s, like, trying to close up, and she thinks her husband is laying flat on his back with the blankets pulled all the way over his face on one of the, like, spa tables, so she pulls it down.

This bothers me a little bit, because it’s amorphous, like, it’s clearly a person, but it’s kind of covered in, like, thin, Tendrils like almost like a silky Cocoon, yeah kind of thing

Todd: almost like the veins on the back of a leaf as you know If you kind of took that and made it semi translucent just wet it and laid it over somebody

Craig: and I like it I like the look of it.

What bothers me is that for the rest of the movie? They don’t know yet, and we don’t know yet, that what these little flower pods are doing is duplicating people. But from this point on, when we see it happening, it is entirely evident who is being duplicated. Like, why is it not Jeff Goldblum on the table?

Todd: I

Craig: don’t know, maybe it’s not far enough into the process or something. I don’t know or maybe it’s just for plot because they don’t know yet that that’s what’s happening They don’t know who that is. So they don’t know what’s happening Yeah, I just but this just goes on it just goes on for so long. I don’t know specific parts to point out because they’re just I don’t know.

People are getting duplicated and the main people are running around like kind of figuring things out. But I guess what’s ultimately interesting to me is they kind of know what’s happening from the beginning.

Todd: Yeah.

Craig: Like from pretty early on and then It’s about them trying to thwart it at first. Oh, we can stop this.

We just got to contact the right people, but they can’t because it has immediately spread everywhere. And it seems like everybody except them are these pod people.

Todd: Pretty much. You get to see the full thing only much later when it attempts to get Donald Sutherland’s character as he falls asleep, so it is a little like, like you said, I think you’re, this is what kind of what you’re trying to say.

It’s a little like unclear and maybe a little unrealistic exactly how all this could happen so fast to all these people and the only these like few people really are clued into it because Somebody’s gotta fall asleep. They’ve gotta be near one of these plants. Then the tendrils kind of overtake the plant for at least at least five minutes.

They’re gonna be gross and weird. And then this pod’s gonna be next to them. That’s the thing I didn’t understand about the guy on the table, like this big pod. Then like opens up a flower and then this crazy birthing process. like kind of like a cloning of a full half formed human, except it’s a full size adult, comes out of this pod, and then the original person.

So just shrivels up into apparently a husk. We never really see that. We start to see it on her later But anyway kind of

Craig: at the

Todd: end. Yeah, and then these husks are then disposed of by the duplicate or maybe one of their cohorts because One of the things that’s happening early on in the movie one of the mysteries to solve is uh Her husband elizabeth’s husband jeffrey when she’s like he’s not right like he’s not going to work.

He’s like walking around town He’s meeting with strangers there They’re, they’re exchanging packages and walking away. And so, you know, I like the way that the movie layers this mystery on, like, you know the pod people are here, you know that the aliens are here, and they’re infecting people, but you don’t exactly know all the details.

Craig: Right, but I like that too, because all these things are intriguing, and they’re all happening in plain sight. I think that that’s what this movie plays to with audiences too, is just paranoia. Yes. Like All of this nefarious stuff is happening in plain sight, and it’s happening all around you, and it’s the people that you know, and everybody is conspiring, except for you.

Todd: Right.

Craig: That plays for me, like, I, I get it. I’m gonna be probably walking around now like. Looking at people like

Todd: Well, and this is interesting too and I think why you know updating it for a modern era would be so interesting because now We’re we seem like a wash in conspiracy theories and I have friends who I feel like they’ve kind of gone crazy Because they’ve gone down rabbit holes feeling like the whole world, and they’re one of the few people in the know.

This movie, and movies like this, and stories like this, posit that they’re right. That’s what the story is, anyway. And that’s exactly what paranoid people do. So I, in the same sense, like, I don’t think it’s completely unbelievable that at first, even though it’s almost obvious, that these educated people, You know, one of them is a health inspector.

He’s, he’s out there trying to dig up deception. He’s out there finding the rat turds in the soup that the kitchen is hoping is gonna go unnoticed and that they’re trying to hide and they’re coming up with excuses for. No, he’s gonna find it. She’s a lab technician. She tests and tests and tests things.

One of the first things she does when she gets one of those cute little flowers is try to identify it. When she can’t, she wants to take it to the lab and test it. You know, this is before, you know, She thinks anything’s wrong. Like, this is these people’s personalities. And the psychologist, right, is all about, oh, the answers are not the crazy sinister things that you think they are.

They are rooted in your life and your relationships with other people. That’s where it’s coming from. It’s deep within your psyche is why you’re having these things.

Craig: But he’s placating and gaslighting her because I think that he is a pod person from the time we meet him. You think so? Yeah, I think so for sure.

I don’t think so. I think he’s totally, I mean, it wouldn’t be out of character for him to come up with an actual psychological explanation for what’s going on, but he’s, I just feel like he, I think he’s a pod person from the beginning, from the time It’s unclear. It could, it could very well be. That’s a good, that’s a very solid theory.

The thing that you said that resonated with me, you’re like, we look at these characters, you know, these well educated, intelligent people, and we think, how could they not see what’s going on? I think that that’s A big part of what this story plays into as well. Yes. Because haven’t you felt that way personally?

Right. How do these intelligent, well educated people, how do they think this? Right. I, I, I can’t understand. And sometimes you feel, or I have in my experience, In certain company felt very alone. Like I, I, I’m the only person who feels this way. Like what is happening?

Todd: So it goes both ways, right? Like it’s just adds to the paranoia of life.

At some point, if you’re smart, you’re kind of looking at yourself and going, am I the crazy one? I could be the crazy one, right? You know? Right. And that’s what smart people do. Maybe that’s why this movie resonates so much is that this just taps into a deep fear and all of us in this sort of. Anxiety that maybe we all have about ourselves, like, maybe I’m the crazy one.

And so that’s why, yeah, I think it makes sense that these guys at first, even though there’s all this evidence and stuff around them, are in denial. But then, they can’t deny it anymore because it frickin happens, it starts happening in front of them. And I think once they figure out it’s more or less what’s going on, and it’s this group, right?

Then Sutherland realizes they need to be, they can’t fall asleep, and so they’re over at someone’s house, and they’re, I mean, I feel like I’m probably skipping around.

Craig: Well, we have to, I mean, so much of it is just us and them kind of slowly figuring out what’s going on, but meanwhile also, More and more people.

Eventually it gets to the point where basically everybody except our core group of Donald Sutherland and his not girlfriend but they love each other or whatever and the other couple Jeff Goldblum, Jack, and Nancy They’re just kind of Against everybody else and they’re running

Todd: and they’re getting chased and they end up they end up hiding in in shadow in the apartment Jack can’t get anything on the radio David the psychiatrist gives Elizabeth a pill to help her sleep There’s like just a slow quiet terror in all this like what the hell can they do?

Matthew goes up to the roof to stare out at the city and he starts not often he does and this is when we First see all this happen There are tendrils in this grass that’s up on the roof. I guess it’s like a bunch of plants up there

Craig: Really confused what was all of a sudden he was like in troll land.

Yeah, like there’s like mystical vines And huge pods. Is he not the only one in there because it seemed were they like multiple duplicating him? I didn’t understand what’s happening Seem like more than one and also, okay, I can deal with this. Like the, the, the alien goo comes, it turns into these little flowers.

It starts killing people. Maybe the pods can start getting bigger because they don’t have to worry about being conspicuous. So I’m not concerned about the fact that now the pods are enormous and they are birthing full grown hairless. But then, those people immediately mature. Like, there is a duplicate Donald Sutherland lying right next to him, until he wakes up and like, stomps his head or something.

Todd: Yeah, exactly. He comes back and smashes his own head in it, that’s kinda nice. I think the original movie, if I’m remembering it correctly, One of the things that shocked me about it, at that time, was that they find the pods pretty early. Like, there are pods growing in the basement of this guy’s house, I think there’s a greenhouse full of pods.

They are fully aware that there are giant pods. And about, the thing is that there’s very little they can do about it. And so I thought that was interesting, whereas this movie, we don’t really see the pods. You know, I mean, they’re tiny ones, but we don’t really see the giant pods or whatever until this moment, until much later.

It’s got more of a build to it. But yeah, I agree with you, and that was like kind of a weird thing. Like, number one, okay, so he didn’t notice all this stuff around him when he was up there? Or did it suddenly just all climb up on the roof with him while he was as Yeah, where did it come from? And then this giant pod manifests so quickly, like And then how is this happening at everyone’s home?

I mean, I didn’t really get that. I don’t know.

Craig: I don’t know, but obviously now they kind of know what’s going on. At some point, Jack gets Separated from them, and then the next time we see him, he’s a pod person, and Leonard Nimoy is a pod person, and he tries to explain, he’s telling them, he, he has a whole monologue about how we travel on the solar winds, or something,

Todd: right,

Craig: and we go from planet to planet, and like, he paints them.

Whatever they are as being almost like philanthropic like we’re here to help like

Todd: yeah,

Craig: people suck. So we’re gonna eliminate Emotions, so there’s no hate and war and yeah,

Todd: you’ll be born again into an untroubled world free of anxiety fear hate and then The last minute kind of off screen he says and love almost like it’s thrown in there But that’s the most sinister bit right is like oh, wait a minute You I mean, at first you’re kind of, I mean, I’m not, I’m not along with the ride, but I mean, I’m saying, like, it doesn’t sound horrible, like, free of anxiety, fear, hate, and love, oh yeah, love is an emotion too that you’re gonna give up when you’re one of these pod people, like, it’s all part of the package, folks.

Look, we just finished watching Inside Out 2, which, by the way, was a lovely movie.

Craig: Oh, good.

Todd: All these emotions are part of what’s being human, you know, and so, that’s another thing that this kind of toys with, right, is like, you can’t just take away those things. Right. Without also taking away something that is very much makes us who we are and is the counterbalance to the things that we consider the more desirable emotions and feelings, you know, which is, which is interesting.

It’s interesting. I mean, that’s not like the movie goes into great detail on that. But yeah, your mind and memories will be totally absorbed and everything else will remain intact. And This part when he is injecting Donald Sutherland and Sutherland just looks at him and he’s like David, you’re killing me, David.

Man, I was just like, this is his friend, you know, and he’s just looking at him and there’s only thing he can say is, David, you’re killing me. A pleading. God, he’s

Craig: such

Todd: a good

Craig: actor. I just Yeah, he’s fantastic. But it doesn’t have any effect on Leonard Nimoy because Leonard Nimoy is not Leonard Nimoy anymore.

No, he’s not David. Yeah. This guy, Donald Sutherland, is pleading to his friend. That’s not his friend. He may have all of his friend’s memories. God, I feel like I’ve already mentioned it. I have already mentioned it once, but Also, in Troll, when the young kid is He thinks there’s something wrong with his sister.

He’s watching a movie on TV on a black and white TV. And it’s like, that may look like Tweety. It may even sing like Tweety, but it’s not. And the woman goes, are you saying. Yes, your Tweety is a pod person from the planet Mars. And it’s just a fake movie in that movie, but it’s obviously a riff on this and it’s really funny, but that’s, that’s what it is.

It’s not Leonard Nimoy. They can’t be reasoned with, but they’re also not.

Todd: According to him, they’re not sinister either. He says, we don’t hate you. There’s no need for hate now or love. And then she, she, Elizabeth Amelie turns to Matthew and says, I love you, Matthew.

Craig: I love you. Yeah. That was, they

Todd: also kiss at some point later, but I just thought that was, that was the first time that she flat out admitted.

Okay. Yeah. I love you, Matthew. And he doesn’t. He doesn’t respond back. I love you, too, or anything like that. But later, he’s compelled to tell her he loves her, right?

Craig: And God, we might as well just say he’s compelled to tell her because though they run and fight and try to call all these You know, like he tries to call the local cops.

He tries to call the FBI He tries to call Washington and every time he gets on the phone with somebody they’re like, oh, yes We know who you are. Dr. Your name. He’s like, how do you know my name? Like wait right there? Everybody You Is in on it. Yeah. Right. So, so there’s no getting away, but they keep trying eventually they’re in some like shipyard or something because these pod people have a distribution center.

Yes. And it’s very efficient. Like they are loading up trucks and buses and ships and they’ve also got like a huge greenhouse for all of these pods and.

Todd: They’ve learned the ways of Earth very, very quickly. I would have to think there are other planets out there just like Earth for them to have sorted all this out within the matter of Of what, a few days?

A week? I don’t know how much time

Craig: passed, but they’re sending pods to Salsalito and all over the place.

Todd: It’s so true. You’d think they could just rain down on the planet everywhere. I mean, uh, that would be easier.

Craig: Right? I don’t know. But, uh, Donald Sutherland and, and, the girl that he loves, like, I don’t know, they’re like on the outskirts of this thing or whatever.

First of all, Spock sedated both of them. He gave them injections of a sedative. That would knock them out. They are not gonna be They

Todd: took speed before that, remember? Just before.

Craig: Oh, did they? Yeah, remember they No, I didn’t She found some pills in the lab. Oh, I do remember he said like, how many, how many does it say to take?

And she’s like, one. And he said, okay, I’ll take five. I forgot about it. Yeah.

Todd: Yeah.

Craig: That

Todd: was the

Craig: only way. So they stayed awake for a minute, but then I guess she falls asleep and he’s like, trying to wake her up and her face is getting fuzzy. Cause that’s what happens. Yeah. And he’s like, I love you. And then she dies.

Yeah. He was really sad. She disintegrates in his arms. I don’t know

Todd: that I would say it was sad. Really? I, I don’t know. I felt this was a pretty emotional scene, just because I really bought their relationship, and I thought it was cute, and I thought it was sweet. Because, like I said, there, there is a very specific moment in this movie where they could have just jumped into bed together, and they didn’t.

You know, in a way, nobody would have blamed them either, but they didn’t, and, And even up to, until this dire circumstance, none, neither of them did anything to like profess their love to each other and now they’re forced to and it’s too late because they’re going to be stripped of all feelings of love very, very quickly and it’s like a last gasp of humanity.

I just thought this personalized it very, very well. And I was just in it. I just was in it with this couple that wasn’t a couple,

Craig: you know? I mean, I don’t, I don’t have any problem with their relationship. I think their relationship was perfectly appropriate. They were coworkers. They kind of had a flirty thing going on, but she was in a relationship so they didn’t pursue it.

Todd: Yeah.

Craig: Then once her guy was out of the picture and they were in dire circumstances together, then they could. You know, talk about their true feelings. That’s fine. I found the scene more devastating than sad because sure, like he loves her or whatever, you know, it’s not like they’re married. It’s not like they have some deep connection, right?

But she is also his last companion.

Todd: Yes. He’s going to have no one else.

Craig: You’re alone in the world. Like it’s literally you against everybody. Now, now the Nancy is still out there somewhere. That’s true because Nancy’s

Todd: Nancy and Jack at some point sorted out that they could hide among the pod people. If you just kind of act like them, if you don’t show emotion, you can walk around and kind of get in their lines and kind of go through their thing.

Without being detected, but the minute you show emotion, which, which happens when a dog with a human face runs up to Elizabeth? What was that

Craig: shit? There had been this homeless guy throughout the movie who played the guitar and sang, and I read that at least the guitar, if not the vocals, were Jerry Garcia.

Really? Uh, what? Yeah, yeah. Wow. Playing, I don’t, I don’t know. I, I think Jerry Gar I don’t know. Oh. It was definitely him playing, but this homeless guy that like they liked, and he had like this nice dog that they liked. And you see him a couple of times in the beginning. And then at one point when the two of them, Donald Sutherland, and the lady are running away together, he sees them asleep on the ground and he tries to wake them up, but he can’t.

And so they keep running. But he kicks the pod and the pod like shoots out some goo. Now, I didn’t really understand if that Was the reason why then later is why all of a sudden the dog had the homeless guy’s face? I missed all that. Was it a result? Was it a result of Donald Sutherland kicking the pod? I don’t know, but it was weird.

And creepy, and yeah, and it freaked Elizabeth out, and that, you know, triggered everybody. Once Elizabeth is dead, and, you know, she like withers away in his arms, but then her nude doppelganger pops up just feet away. And it’s like, uh, it’s great, you’ll like it. You know, join me or whatever he runs away and then he has a huge aqua action sequence, this like pod nursery that good for him for going out with a bang, but really doesn’t make any difference.

I have to admit,

Todd: like. You said that this didn’t feel long, here it started to feel long, because it just keeps piling on the hopelessness, that I was like, there’s no way this is gonna end, and the minute he comes across the pod nursery, I was thinking, man, they spent a lot of time and money on this scene, which was kind of unnecessary.

Because, we’ve seen their sophisticated organization, there are probably nurseries like this everywhere. So, I can’t really get behind him, I mean, good for him, again, like, destroying it and sending it up in flames, but it’s not like it was the last one on earth, and Now we have a chance.

Craig: Donald Sutherland doing all his own stunts.

Oh yeah? This actually reminded me of that scene in Don’t look now. There was an action sequence where he was like, jumping and falling on scaffolding?

Todd: Right? Wasn’t there? Oh yeah, he almost fell yeah, because they were repairing the frescoes or whatever on the ceiling of one of the chapels.

Craig: This, I mean, it’s, it’s pointless, you know, he’s not really doing anything to save the world or whatever, but he does destroy this nursery and he’s jumping from level to level and doing all of his own stunts and it’s a, it’s a fun action sequence.

Sure, yeah. And then I don’t even remember what happens after that. He just runs away, right? Yeah,

Todd: he does. He just runs away and I think it’s morning.

Craig: And then somebody, I think it’s Spock says. We’ll get him. He can’t stay awake forever. And then the next scene it’s daytime and we see Matt Donald Sutherland on the street and everything seems normal.

Like all the people seem normal. They’re like kids going to school.

Todd: Well, they’re busing and kids for. Field trips that they’re guiding them to these special places. Like I thought that was hilarious

Craig: Matt goes to his lab and flips something out of the paper Yes, because he that was something that he did before like that was one of his quirks like he clipped newspaper clippings or whatever But he sees elizabeth like through a window, but she doesn’t see him and pays no notice So Obviously what you’re acting yourself is has he been duplicated or is he just acting because Nancy told him you can act and she’s been acting and she’s been walking amongst them for a long time because she figured it out.

Just don’t show any emotion. So, That’s what we, the viewers, are asking ourselves. At the end of the day, at the end of the workday, he falls in line with all the other people leaving, and then he’s out just walking on the street by himself, and Janet kind of approaches him, like she calls his name from across the street, like, Matt, Matt, and she just like waves at him a little bit, and he points and throws his head back and shrieks, we haven’t even said that!

Todd: No.

Craig: The pod people shriek. And like, point.

Todd: Yeah. It’s

Craig: like an alarm system. It’s like an alarm system, but that again, I said earlier, this last image of the movie, Donald Sutherland throws his head back and contorts his jaw in a really unnatural way. And just glares at her pointing. And I have no idea if the shriek was actually him or if it was ADR or whatever, but it’s very scary and completely bleak.

There, there is no other way really for this to turn out, but it’s confirmed, you know, they win, they win. And I think that you had alluded to in the 56 version, this scene is different. Like the two people meet on the street, but they kind of give each other a wink and a nod. Like. Things are going to be okay.

Well, like the, the military is coming or something like that.

Todd: In the fifties version, the producers made them tag on an ending that, that, um, the original director, Don Siegel did not want, but you know, they were the producers. And so they got what they wanted where. The FBI calls the CIA and like there, there’s just a sense like, all right, now the big boys are on it.

We’re going to get them. And it’s kind of like the government’s involved and they know what’s going on. And so now this is the end. It’s not like, you know, the big title card comes and says the aliens were driven off, but that’s the sense that you get. Their original ending that was written for the movie was, was more bleak, was kind of like this, where I believe they were, Well, he was walking down the street and he just saw a truck full of pods just going right past him and you know Nothing he could do about it and that movie sort of ended on that note And I think they restored that ending for re releases even theatrical re releases I believe ended up restoring that ending so I can’t remember which ending I I saw, I’m pretty sure the one I saw felt more Pat.

But yeah, this, this ending I think was also brainstormed with the original director and screenwriter, Don Siegel. By the way, Don Siegel, the director of the, of the 50s, 50s version has a cameo as the taxi driver. Yeah. In this movie. And so they actually chatted with Philip Kaufman and Jack Finney to brainstorm this, this, this ending to make something a little different.

And I think God is so effective and Donald Sutherland is so great.

Craig: Yeah. Fantastic.

Todd: Got a face for this too.

Craig: I may be conflating stories. I hope not, but I think that the studio wanted Philip Kaufman to shoot a different ending, a more hopeful ending, and he just didn’t shoot it. Because he was afraid they would use it.

He wanted this bleak ending. And yeah, that, that final image of Donald Sutherland shrieking. It’s iconic as is. Donald Sutherland. I mean, again, I’ve said it already. I’ll say it again. What an amazing career. What an amazing legacy. Like as of this recording, you passed away a few days ago and I’ve been reading the things that his contemporaries.

Say about him and and they just say that he was just lovely and a gentleman and a hard worker and a brilliant actor And you know keifer his son tweeted or x or whatever it’s called now, you know a tribute to his dad and Just seemed like such a cool guy and i’m sad that he’s gone. But again, he was Old and he had a good life if I make it to 88 and I’m healthy enough that I can keep working I will consider that a huge success but I also feel like Donald Sutherland is among the last of a generation of actors the likes of which We won’t see again, I think

Todd: You mean guys that are just good at everything and Can continue to work and do important roles well into old age is is this what you mean

Craig: and that their success is most Largely based on their talent.

Donald Sutherland is not necessarily there again. I find him very sexually But he’s not he’s not a sexual Stereotypically handsome guy. No again not to discredit. I I know there are many many many young talented Talented actors and actresses out there today, but so much is dependent upon look

Todd: and yeah

Craig: These older guys didn’t have to be To be successful.

And I feel like he’s kind of among the last of that generation. I, you know, Martin Sheen is still out there. There are other guys who are still working because they should be because they’re very talented, but I, sadly, I’m afraid we’re going to continue. To lose them because that’s the nature of things and and even you know talking about this and thinking about this and talking about him I was really thinking you and I are probably not all that far off Before the people that we grew up with and and are all gone.

Yeah god time. It’s a crazy It’s a crazy thing, but If you are fortunate enough, and talented enough, and hardworking enough, You Donald Sutherlands of the world. You can leave, you can leave your mark, and, and he certainly did.

Todd: He sure did. Oh, I love watching him. I’ll, I’ll watch anything with him in it, honestly.

And there’s a lot of stuff to watch with him in it. And there are other horror movies we can do. That we haven’t done yet that happy minute. So we will see him again. Thankfully, the nice thing about it is his work lives on. So,

Craig: yeah, I’m interested. I don’t know about whether or not for the show, but listeners, Mr.

Harrigan’s phone was one of his most recent. Films, it’s a Stephen King adaptation. I haven’t seen it, but I’m interested so If you recommend it, let me know.

Todd: Oh Well, thank you so much for listening to this tribute episode If you enjoyed it, you’ve got a donald sutherland fan among your friends Please send them this spread the word for us.

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