Freaky

2 Guys And A Chainsaw - A Horror Movie Review Podcast

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Freaky is a high-concept horror take on the classic body-swapping comedy Freaky Friday, directed by Christopher Landon (Happy Death Day), co-written by Michael Kennedy (It’s A Wonderful Knife), and starring Vince Vaughn in a masterful and hilarious turn as a teenage girl trapped in the body of a Jason-like serial killer.

Ultimately, we both agreed this modern horror-comedy is pure popcorn fun from beginning to end, yet still maintains a satisfyingly sharp, gory edge. Check it out!

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Freaky (2020)

Episode 398, 2 Guys and a Chainsaw

Todd: Hello and welcome to another episode of Two Guys and a Chainsaw. I’m Todd.

Craig: And I’m Craig.

Todd: Well this week, Craig’s turn to pick the movie, and he chose 2020’s Freaky. This is a film I didn’t even know about, probably because it only came out a few years ago, I think you mentioned during one of our episodes, I think it was over the Christmas time, when It’s a Wonderful Knife kind of disappointed us, and you said that’s a shame because there’s this movie Freaky that that writer had written.

That the same writer had written, and you really liked it, so, uh, that was the first I’d heard of it. But it’s a take off of Freaky Friday with the, with the body swapping, and the concept sounded awesome. Just like the Wonderful Knife concept sounded awesome, but, uh, this one, considerably better. First time I had seen it, Tell me about this movie, Craig.

When did you watch it?

Craig: I don’t remember exactly, but fairly recently. I would say within the last year probably. And it sounded great, but I think at the, at that particular moment, it wasn’t streaming somewhere that I had access to. And so I put it off for a while, but I eventually convinced Alan to watch it with me.

And we, we both, Really liked it. I told you about it since then. We’ve talked about it. It’s been on the list for a while. And after the last couple of movies that we did, which were fine, I kind of wanted to do something a little bit more light and fun and with a more modern sensibility. Like, I need some jokes, folks.

Like, I want, like, direct in your face jokes and gags. Cause I want to laugh. And I think that this movie is great. I think it’s a great horror comedy. You said the concept is great. One of the original titles, one of there were several, but one of them was Freaky Friday, the 13th. That really is probably a little bit too on the nose, but that’s pretty much exactly what it is.

And I love it. Like, what if Jason and the, you know, final girl switched bodies? That’s exactly what this is. I mean, I mean, what if?

Todd: Right. It’s a great idea. I think it’s a great idea. I read that the, the writer, Michael Kennedy, now this is co written by Michael Kennedy and Christopher Landon. By the way, I just have to say, I think it’s awesome that Michael, one of Michael Landon’s sons is doing horror movies.

Craig: Oh, I didn’t know he was Michael Landon’s son. That’s funny.

Todd: Yeah, Michael Landon has quite a few kids, I think. And yeah, Christopher Landon was one of them. Well, he has

Craig: a really good resume. He also did Happy Death Day and its sequel, which I haven’t seen yet, but I hear good things about. Paranormal Activity, The Marked Ones, which I feel like a lot of people don’t like, because it’s Kind of a side story.

It was one of my favorites, actually. He did Scout’s Guide to the Apocalypse, which we watched and talked about and really liked. Yeah, so, I mean, for, I don’t, I don’t know, I don’t have any idea how old he is. I saw a picture of him. He’s a really handsome guy. He really is. He’s a stud. Yeah, he’s just a few years older than us.

I think he’s born in 75

Todd: Yeah, he’s really handsome, and he’s got a pretty good resume under his belt. So Christopher Landon directed Freaky, and then he co wrote it with Michael Kennedy. My understanding is that Michael Kennedy saw Happy Death Day and really enjoyed it and thought that the idea of combining Groundhog Day with a horror movie was so cool that he wrote freaky you.

And approached Michael Landon about it, and then they, of course, continued to work the concept together. They were both billed as co writers on this. Yeah, and then Michael Kennedy went on to write, It’s a Wonderful Knife, and we didn’t care for that too much. He’s only written, uh, It’s a Wonderful Knife and Freaky.

He’s got a couple upcoming ones, something called Time Cut, and another one called, uh, Heart Eyes, which are I don’t know. I don’t know if those are horror. I have no idea what they are, but high concept, sometimes it works really well, sometimes it’s disappointing. With It’s a Wonderful Knife, I think we found it a bit disappointing.

With Freaky, I thought this was great. Honestly, this was just um, it’s just a fun movie. It wasn’t, uh, deep, it wasn’t life changing or anything like that, but I mean, just to sit and laugh and enjoy yourself with a solid story. I loved it. Actually, what I really loved the most about it was the acting. Vince Vaughn playing a teenage girl was just drop dead hilarious at times.

He

Craig: is so talented. I mean, I just finished listening to Amy Poehler’s memoir, and she talked about how one time she was shooting a I think Beastie Boys music video, um, and it was her and some other celebrities, including Ted Danson. And I guess the Beastie Boys, like we’re supposed to like burst through this window and all of these celebrities, I don’t know if they were playing themselves or playing roles.

They were supposed to, you know, actually scared and they did. And Ted Danson turned to her and said, Oh God, isn’t acting embarrassing. And she talked about how that. Is kind of the essence of what acting is like you have to be willing to embarrass yourself. Oh, right. And she, she said, you know, good actors make it look easy.

So everybody thinks it’s easy, but it’s not. I think that some people would look at this and just say, Oh, Vince Vaughn’s just acting silly and goofy. Anybody can do that. No, not anybody can. Right. Not anybody really can kind of take on the physicality. And characteristics and mannerisms of a, not just a teenage girl, but a specific teenage girl who’s also in the movie.

Right. And not make it totally stupid. Right, exactly. No, I believe him as her, like when they switch bodies. Yeah, I believe both characters and I was just before I was waiting for you and I just had the IMDB page up and it ran through several trailers and then it ran through this long series of interview clips with the main actress whose name is Catherine Newton who’s been, she’s a rising star.

She was in Ant Man and the Wasp and Big Little Lies and she was the lead in Lisa Frankenstein and a bunch of other stuff. She was doing this interview and she said that she and Vince Vaughn just clicked and they respected each other and they wanted to develop these characters together because they were both playing both characters.

And she just said that they had a great relationship. I don’t know what to attribute it to. I, I suppose just to the fact that they are both very talented or it’s well directed or it’s well edited or A combination of all of those things. But I thought the acting was great. And there are so many things that I like about the movie, but going along with acting, every character was endearing.

Yes. I mean, it was obvious who the bad guys were, but all of the, like Catherine and her whole friend group and her mom and her sister, and I called her Catherine. That’s the actor’s name. Her character name is Millie. Then when Millie is in Vince Vaughn’s body, she’s super endearing in that body. It’s wild.

I really enjoyed it. I could go on and on and on. This is one of those movies that I almost wished that there was some way that we could do like a watch along either together or with other people, because it just seems like this movie is just a fun experience. Us talking about it. There’s no way we can recapture that.

I can gush as much as I want, but you really have to see it to see how well done, in my humble opinion, it is. I liken

Todd: it a little bit to cooties. I liken it a little bit to Little Monsters. These modern movies that are just more comedy than horror, really. Mm hmm. Because, I mean, like you said, you know how it’s gonna go.

It’s, I mean, honestly, it’s kind of utterly predictable in a way. Until it gets towards the end, and then it did surprise me a little bit at the directions it went. And then there was kind of a false ending as well. Where you thought it all wrapped up and it hadn’t. I wasn’t expecting that either, so it did have some surprises for me in there.

But ultimately, yeah, you know, this is too light hearted of a movie for this to have this bleakness that, you know, Yeah, I was never really worried about any of the characters. That said, you know, you’ve got the wise cracking gay friend. He’s hilarious. He was so funny.

Craig: He pulls up to pick up Millie, like to give her a ride to school or whatever.

And she’s talking to this guy in the park. And you just, you know, this car pulls up and this kid who we’ve never met before just leans out the window and goes, I love your black wiener, Mr. Daniels, Joshua.

Todd: The dog is black. Nyla,

Craig: the guy has a weird dog,

Todd: but he’s also black.

Craig: Yeah. And he’s also. The, like, the character.

Todd: Josh, yeah.

Craig: Yeah. And he’s, he’s great. And then, the other friend, Nyla, I don’t know, they’re obviously kind of the little outcast group. Which is funny, because they’re all hilarious and good looking. I also think that it’s funny that they try to establish that all of the, like, jock guys keep calling Millie a dog, like, and so, in much more explicit, like, Ways in disgusting ways, but basically insinuating that she is just like Disgusting.

They are

Todd: awful to her.

Craig: This girl is stunningly beautiful. She is gorgeous

Todd: Like yeah, even she’s not even one now there she goes through a transformation. There’s the there’s the moment You know where the the body switch happens Where the guy decides that, you know, she’s going to put on makeup and she’s going to pull her hair back and she’s going to wear a leather jacket to school.

And then suddenly, all of a sudden she’s hot, she’s hot. Everybody turns and looks at her and it’s like the most minute

Craig: change. Yeah. And it’s the opposite of what usually happens. Like usually in those movies, the girls take out their ponytail and let their hair like flow down and everybody’s like, Oh my God, she’s so hot.

This time she just puts her hair up in a ponytail slaps on a little lipstick. She’s good. And that’s it. Yeah

Todd: It’s not a big transformation to make you would think it was, you know night and day the way everybody suddenly drops their jaws at her When before they were just overtly calling her a dog and all kinds of nasty names.

I, you know, I don’t know. I, I remember school being cruel. I remember there being people who were real bullies and people who were really mean. Kids are like that at times. But it was a bit over the top how hard they were going on this girl. I, I thought it was a little silly, but it’s a trope. It’s a hundred percent.

Craig: Like in any actual movie that doesn’t even make fun of itself. I mean this It happens all the time, you know, these bullies are picking on this girl, telling her how unattractive she is when she is gorgeous. Like, let’s just not make this joke anymore. Like, it’s old. It’s kind of dumb. I don’t know. It’s kind of silly.

Todd: Yeah, I’d like to think kids are nicer now, now that we’ve called attention to bullying and things like that. If this were a movie that were set in the 80s, it would have played better. But with the modern sensibility and all the wisecracks and the things that everyone else is saying and how everybody is Totally cool with everyone being gay and homosexual, which was not 80s It kind of feels out of place a little bit, but I’m really picking nits here I got it.

I saw where they were going with it and it was fine. And I thought the Josh character was hilarious She’s got another friend Nyla and then there’s Ryler who is this jerk girl gang leader Basically who’s kind of off on her own And she pops in for a little bit to be that smarmy.

Craig: Snobby. She’s just the snobby bitch, yeah.

Snobby

Todd: bitch, yeah. She’s

Craig: fake, talking about people behind their backs, you know. And

Todd: then there’s that guy Booker, who Riley has a crush on, who they allude to early on, and then At first I thought he was kinda treating her He wasn’t even treating her poorly. No, that was like a not a trope from the very get go She kind of had this crush on this guy and it was pretty obvious All she had to do was walk up to him and say hey, you want to go out sometime?

And it will it would have been fine. So I also I didn’t understand what her big hesitation was there except for her own Insecurity insecurity. Thank you.

Craig: Maybe not even insecurity, but just awkwardness. Like I just feel like she’s yeah supposed to be it As beautiful in real life as the actress is, she’s supposed to be kind of socially awkward.

So she likes this boy. I think it’s pretty obvious that he likes her too, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re just going to be like, Oh, let’s be boyfriend, girlfriend. Like they’re both a little hesitant and reluctant. That kid is in the movie Booker. His name’s Uriah Shelton. He is so cute, but he also looks like he’s about.

Three or four years younger than the rest of them. Yeah, that’s true. But, but he’s adorable and she’s late to class and she’s like, Oh, I’m always late. And he’s like, well, let me tell you a little trick. Just, I always set my watch five minutes fast and then you’re never late. And she’s like, Oh, isn’t that sweet.

But then there comes an announcement on the radio about the murders from before that we haven’t talked about yet because we have been focusing on, which is perfectly fine, the murders. The teen dramedy and more comedy than drama, but you know, in those teen comedies, there’s always relationship drama and whatnot.

We’ve been focusing on that and it is very stereotypical of those things, but that’s kind of what I like about it. It takes something like Can’t Hardly Wait, for example, one of these mid 2000 teen romances or whatever. It takes that and mashes it up with A slasher, then you throw in the body swap thing and it gets even better.

But the slasher component of it to me is very satisfying.

Clip: It

Craig: is. And I, I don’t know that it had ever occurred to me and I can’t imagine that it should. Vince Vaughn should have been playing a masked killer all his career. He’s enormous. He’s a big guy.

Todd: I did not realize how big he was until he plopped him.

They plopped him in this movie. And basically gave him a Jason character. He’s like a Jason who talks. And not very much.

Craig: Not very much. Which I think was a really smart choice. Because I think it would have been difficult for the actress.

Todd: Yes.

Craig: If he had talked more.

Todd: If he’d been Freddy or something like that.

Right, right, right, right. He starts out with a whole different group of kids. There’s Isaac, and Evan, and Jenny, and Sandra, and they’re all over at this impossibly rich house.

Craig: It is just your typical slasher cold open. You’ve got a group of beautiful teenagers sitting around a campfire telling stories, and this one happens to be about this, uh, guy called the Bliss filled Butcher, and before we get all that on the screen, it says It, you know, pops up Wednesday the 11th.

I’m like, yes, you know where this is going. So they start talking about the Blissfield Butcher, but they have different stories. Like one’s like, yeah, he’s been killing people, killing teenagers since 1977. And the other girl’s like, uh, no. He killed a bunch of kids at homecoming in the 90s but then he disappeared and she’s like, it’s just a made up story to warn teenagers about the dangers of underage debauchery.

Ever since Scream. I feel like these type of slashers don’t have much choice but to be self aware. Unless they’re gonna really throw you for a loop somewhere else. I feel, I feel like there’s got to be a little bit of self awareness. Oh yeah. And there totally is here. And so two of them go off into the house and two of them stay behind to bang.

And the two that go in the house, the boy is following the girl and he walks past. Apparently this girl’s dad collects artifacts. I, because there’s,

Todd: Artifacts everywhere. He’s a regular Indiana Jones. It’s like walking through the British museum. This guy’s house and it’s so funny the way this friend, I don’t even know why he’s wandering around in there.

Like he just goes in, he’s not looking for anything in particular. He’s just going in. Cause the girl was going to the bathroom and before you’d know it, he’s like wandering through the living room for no good reason, going down to the bit, to the wine cellar,

Craig: he walked, he walked past a wall. Full of tribal masks and there’s one missing one’s missing.

Yeah. And we just saw him walk past the doorway, but kind of in the foreground, there’s this glass case with a dagger in it. Maybe he even takes it out of a box or something. I don’t remember, but it’s like this glass case with a dagger in it. And the handle of the dagger is bone and the top is shaped like a skull.

And like, he doesn’t see it, but it’s eyes glow red. Oh boy. It’s very exciting. It is. But then. The killer

Todd: comes in, right? Well, he picks up a bottle of wine, and it’s very expensive. The kid, yeah. The kid does, yeah, he’s down in the basement. And then he kind of hears a noise, and he turns around, it’s this whole deal.

And eventually the killer comes from behind. Uh, grabs that bottle from him, shoves it down his throat, It was gross. and breaks it in his neck. That was something. And I thought that, that was unique, I’d never seen this one before, and then I read in the trivia, no, this is like the third time this has happened in a movie.

And we’ve seen them. Yeah, we have. I totally forgot. Anyway, so he’s wearing a mask, he’s wearing that tribal mask, and then he breaks in on Sandra, who, and smashes her head in the toilet till she’s dead. Very,

Craig: very violently, like, yes. It’s very

Todd: violent.

Craig: We, I mean, we have to fly by it as a plot point because it’s not really all that important, it’s just establishing, but it’s very violent and graphic, like you see her head get crushed and the blood is flying out.

Yeah. It’s gross. And these first couple of kills and the next that are coming, In a good three to four minutes told me, oh, like, yeah, oh good. This movie’s not gonna pull any punches. Right, right. And I liked that. And then it doesn’t ever really, like, there’s all this carnage in the beginning and then there’s more later, but it’s a little bit more spread out.

I was happy that, uh, we were gonna get this kind of. thing. But yeah, and then he finds the other two. Bang. And like, it’s a funny scene where she finishes and he doesn’t, and she just walks away and he’s like, come on, I only need a couple more minutes. And she’s like, no, women have to, you know, be unsatisfied all the time.

There’s lots of that kind of commentary. Yes. In the book. All of these movies, lots of feminist commentary, lots of queer representation and queer commentary, which doesn’t bother me in the slightest. I find it smart and funny. Sometimes I’m like, ah, okay, I get it, but it doesn’t bother me. I know that there are some people that just.

They’ll blow their lids, you know, like, oh, it’s woke. Keep the politics out of my movies. Like, come on. Okay, whatever. Anyway, they get killed. The killer, Vince Vaughn, in a mask that looks like an over, it’s a tribal mask, but it just looks like an oversized hockey mask. Yeah. It looks like Jason, basically. He is standing behind the guy.

He breaks a tennis racket in half and then stabs

Todd: him in both sides of the head. That was so goofy. Yeah. I

Craig: love that!

Todd: It’s funny. No, I like it. This isn’t, this isn’t a knock on it at all. But, like you said, it’s all very graphic, and I liked that, just like you had just said. Another movie that’s a lot like this is Final Girls, right?

Another high concept kind of movie like that. And I always felt, look, I can’t say anything bad about Final Girls. It’s one of my favorite movies of all time, actually. Horror or not, I cry every time I see it. It’s very emotional. I love the concept, I love it, all the characters in it, but it loses a little something by kind of holding tight to its PG 13 rating.

They purposely just kind of like, there’s no flash of the boob, there’s the, they kept the blood very minimal. And when you’re doing a movie, a movie about slasher movies, you gotta kind of, even if it’s a comedy, like I kind of appreciate that they, Go whole hog and make it like a real slasher movie. Right.

So, uh, no, this was good. And again, also the, the kills are very creative, which is another hallmark of slasher movies, you know? So, uh, I’ve never seen a guy get stabbed with two ends of a tennis racket for no good reason. But then of course it looks like a tennis rackets gone through his head. It’s kind of silly, funny.

And then the killer bust through the French doors as Jenny’s trying to escape. And he gets her with a Michael Myers style wall stab, where he stabs her up on the wall and she’s kind of hanging by that. And literally even does the little head tilt. Yep. Just like in Halloween. So it’s throwing back to this stuff too.

Yeah, there are so

Craig: many throwbacks. We couldn’t possibly hit them all and I probably missed a lot. But, uh, the character names, I mean some of them, you know, are just briefly or you catch a brief glimpse of them on the back of a letterman’s jacket or something, but all of the characters are named after somebody connected to something in some movie.

Just tons of little Easter eggs for big horror fans and they’re fun. But yeah, so there’s that whole thing. And the last thing we see in that cold open is that when the parents find her and they come in and they scream, it pans to where the knife was and it’s gone. So we know he has the knife and then everything that we talked about before happens like, all these kids doing high school stuff.

I feel like one of the only people we didn’t mention, we talked about her friend, her cute friend Booker in shop, but we didn’t talk about the fact that shop teacher is This total ass like he’s just what a dick mean I don’t know I feel like I remember there being teachers like this but I don’t know any now but like he obviously just hates his job and hates everything and for whatever reason he is singled Millie out to just be a dick too but he’s played by Alan Ruck.

Yes it’s so great to

Todd: see him again I mean To be fair this guy’s been working non stop, but I don’t know I just never see him that often I think he’s just permanently ingrained in my head as Ferris Bueller’s friend Cameron.

Craig: Yeah

Todd: But he’s actually been in

Craig: so many movies I love. Oh tons and television, yeah, but he’s a total dick to her.

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Clip: up is Millie Kessler Time to present your doghouse Uh My presentation isn’t scheduled till next week. This isn’t debate class. But, you said the 16th? Um, it’s not ready yet. Once again, Miss Kessler is holding up the class. And once again, Miss Kessler is unprepared. Dang. Something to add, Booker? No.

Do it the 16th. Can I just do it the 16th? Speak up. Oh. Crocodile tear doesn’t excuse your poor planning, Miss Kessler.

Craig: I guess what they’re trying to set up is that she’s kind of an outcast. She does have these friends. We mentioned her gay friends. We didn’t say much about her other friend Nyla. Her other friend Nyla is played by Celeste O’Connor, who has been in both of the new Ghostbusters movies, which I haven’t seen.

And she was also in Madam Web, which I feel bad for everybody involved in that because It was just critically panned and they will never do anything with that again. I, like, I, they were obviously setting it up. She was one of the main girls, you know, it was Dakota Johnson was Madam Webb. And she like, she didn’t assemble.

It was thrown upon her with like this group of girls who were then going to be like this group of like spider women or whatever. And you can tell that they were setting it up for a franchise and it bombed. And Alan and I recently watched it. Cause I was curious. I was like, it can’t be as bad as people say it is.

It just can’t be. It is, it is terrible. Really? It’s terrible. Yeah. Like you should watch it for sure because it is so bad. Like you to laugh at. Yes. I just kept looking at Alan. Like he was sitting next to me on the couch. I just kept turning and looking at him. Like, is this really happening? Uh, everything about it is terrible.

And it’s all the writing, the writing is awful. And so the actors have nothing better to do than just be like, I guess I’ll say these lines. I’m really Wow. There’s my mini review of Madam Web. Wow. Um, get a

Todd: little bonus

Craig: for this

Todd: episode

Craig: guys. But they’re, they’re a cute little misfit group. She also has a little bit of a problem at home.

I thought this was a little contrived and silly. Like her mom drinks a bottle of Chardonnay a night. Who cares? Big deal. She’s fine. Yeah. Um, but apparently it’s an issue and her sister is kind of a gruff. Okay. So they have tension at home. She’s also the mascot for her high school team, the beavers, but the high school football players tell her she’s the only beaver that they’d never touch.

Oh, okay. You knew that was coming. She gets left alone. Her mom was supposed to pick her up, but she had her bottle of Chardonnay and she forgot. So she’s alone at the football stadium and the butcher shows up and she’s like, please don’t be the butcher. And then he starts. Like, you know, coming at her and she runs away and there’s a great chase, but they end up like on the 50 yard line on the football field.

Yes. Ugh. I thought this scene

Todd: was

Craig: really cool. This awesome.

Todd: He tackles her on the field. He’s got her down there. He’s above her, kind of straddling her. He raises the knife, and just sort of everything happens at once. You know, it’s basically the fulfillment of a prophecy. Uh huh. It’s like Friday the 13th, and he’s got the ceremonial dagger, and it’s a full moon, and like, the clouds billow over the moon, and suddenly we just get this whole vision, like, The camera shoots upward, and instead of the football field, suddenly it is a sacrificial temple.

It’s like they’re on the top of some Uh huh. What’s it supposed to be? Inca or Aztec or something like that? Who knows? Something like that. Probably. And, uh, you know, he stabs into her shoulder, actually, because he doesn’t get her quite where he wants to, I suppose, because she’s fighting him. And then it, you know, comes right back to that, but suddenly, like, something’s not quite right, and Her sister shows up.

Was it the other cops or was it actually her sister that time?

Craig: I can’t remember who. I don’t remember.

Todd: Somebody shows up, and is like, freeze, and like, he gets away, and she’s nursing her shoulder, and then I I got the impression that the magic didn’t fully happen until the clock changed over to

Craig: Yeah, that’s a little confusing because I don’t think that it does, but something does seem, she seems a little off.

And when the butcher runs away, he runs kind of funny, like kind of high knees,

Todd: but they couldn’t. So you couldn’t make the change in a movie like, like you couldn’t make the change happen. Like right that moment, because it would just be, I don’t know what you would do with it in that scene. You know? You have to have the next sequence.

You do. You have to have them waking up the next morning. Of course! Cause that’s how these movies always go. Don’t you remember when these body swapping movies were like a brief thing in the 80s? Oh yeah. It was just like Fred Savage and, and what’s it, Judd, Judd Reinhold was it? In Vice Versa. Yeah, yeah.

There was, of course there was Freaky Friday, that was a little earlier. It, uh, Big is kind of like that but not really. Yeah.

Craig: Uh, Kirk Cameron and Dudley Moore. Yeah. And like father, like son. That’s a terrible movie. Oh, I’d never. I used to like it when I was a kid and I went back and watched it within the last year.

It’s awful.

Todd: I don’t know. I wouldn’t watch anything with Kirk Cameron in it nowadays. That guy’s off his rocker. What a dick. But, and I guess he was a dick back in Growing Pains, honestly, but. He was. Anyway. Yeah. Like, that’s always, you know, there’s gotta be this moment where they wake up in the morning, they’re confused, and then they look in the mirror and they scream.

All these things happen. They’re in the wrong place and. Of course, he, in her body, wakes up in this girl’s room, and the mom has come in, and she’s confused. That was hilarious. And then, she, in his body, wakes up in this abandoned cracked in It turns out to be the old mill, I guess, right? Like shades of the burning or something like that?

But anyway, yeah, it’s like in an old mill, and she looks around, and it’s just Stereotypical. A little Texas Chainsaw, but without all the bones. It’s like he’s got a mannequin here with, that he’s been driving pins through, and he’s got a little I

Craig: was amused by that. I was amused by it. But it’s right out in the open, and if there are murders, like serial murders happening, like That would not be difficult to find, but it was amusing.

Nonetheless, it was pretty funny. I love this because right from the beginning, I mean, I can’t say enough how impressed I am with Vince Vaughn in this movie. I like Vince Vaughn. I’ve seen him in other things. He’s good. He’s a funny guy. And, and I really think that he’s a very, very talented actor. It’s not, but it’s not like I’m like a Vince Vaughn Stan, you know, like.

I think he’s fine, but I think he’s so good in this, when he wakes up, he has this great monologue, where he says to some homeless crackhead who’s looking for drugs, like literally looking for crack. Yeah, right.

Clip: May I ask you a question? What? Yeah, just, you know, I’m just curious, what do I look like? Like, when you’re seeing me?

Right now? Do I look like a, um, you know, do I look like a girl? Girl? Yeah. You know, like 5’5 very petite, blonde. You’re fucking lying, man. You think you got the drugs? You’re high right now. Oh, no, no. I don’t have the drugs. Come on, man. Give me some of those. That’s good stuff. Please don’t. I want to feel like a teenage girl.

I want to feel like a girl. Come on! Come back! Come back! Oh, fuck your dick!

Craig: And then, and then as he runs away, as, as she, I knew when we got to this point, it was going to be difficult for me. So I’m going to very much try to continue to call the character of Millie, Millie, even though Millie is now in Vince Vaughn’s body.

Right. And I will refer to the butcher as the butcher, even though the butcher is now in Millie’s body. This is where things, it gets funny, and, and this, I feel like, is kind of the Three Stooges part of it, and I don’t say that in a negative way, but it’s just, Millie, in the Butcher’s Body, just walks around town, there are pictures, like, police sketches of her all over the place, everybody recognizes her.

The Butcher and so there’s a lot of comedy there of her Running and bumping into people and being super polite and like, oh my god. I’m so sorry We just can’t do it justice. So there’s no sense in trying to Right go on and on about it But it’s just that lots of her not really understanding that she’s in this huge man’s body and then the butcher in Millie’s body like kind of navigating school and And the actress does a great job.

Very leering, very kind of quietly predatory. Yeah, not saying much. And Vince Vaughn had established that. And menacing, like, as that character, I found her very menacing and scary. And when she’s at school, and that dumb Ryler comes up to her and is like, Oh my god, tell me everything that you went through.

The butcher is like, come with me, let’s go somewhere private. And like, He’s going to kill her. And in Millie’s body, he does kill multiple people. Yes,

Todd: he does. I love this bit where he takes her into the women’s locker room and she’s sitting down, Ryler wants the gossip and Millie’s really not saying much, but she’s kind of pacing and almost like.

I’m sorry, it’s not Millie. It’s, uh, the killer in Millie’s body. I know, it’s

Craig: hard.

Todd: Oh god, yeah. We’ll get

Craig: it.

Todd: Anyway, he, he, she is pacing and kind of trying to figure out what they’re gonna say and what they’re gonna do. It’s sorting things out and, uh, and then sits down and I I thought it was gonna go, it was just interesting.

She goes, finally this girl gets impatient, says,

Clip: Honestly, Millie, I’m missing AP bio. I didn’t come here to clam jam with you.

Todd: Which was a funny line. That was a really funny line. Yeah, I know. Clam jam. I’m putting that in my My repertoire like, oh, that’s a real clam jam going on over there. I don’t know when I’m going to use it.

I just want to use it. All of

Craig: the appropriate moments. It’s good. It is a good one.

Todd: I don’t know when I’m going to use it. I just I’m praying for the opportunity because it’s hilarious. But yeah, you know, you think there for a minute that maybe him and her body is going to go, go a little further. And Riley’s kind of getting that impression with the looks she’s given her.

But anyway, they go into the, you know, Other room, and I don’t know what this is, there must be some kind of machine that athletes use to make things super cold? A cryo something? I’m sure

Craig: there is, but it’s not, it’s not like a liquid nitrogen tank. Yeah,

Todd: I

Craig: know.

Todd: This was about as confusing to me as the water bed in the workout room in pieces.

I’m like, why is this here? I’m not sure what, but clearly it’s just to serve the purpose of this film. And, uh, she kind of pushes her in there and shuts the door and sets it on and walks away. And when, who is it who discovers, who discovers her eventually?

Craig: I think it’s Millie in the killer’s body. In the

Todd: killer’s body.

Yeah. Opens the door. It tips out and shatters.

Craig: Millie comes to the school, I guess, cause she doesn’t know where else to go. I think she wants to enlist in the army. The help of her friends, but she realized that she stinks first. There’s just so much great physical comedy. Oh yeah. Like he’s taking a shower around places.

Yeah. But before that, she’s like crouching around like outside the school and she like tries to sneak like through some small trees and she’s like, Oh my God, I’m a giant. Like the branches are all hitting her in the face. Like, it’s just funny. Her, I can only imagine being a, an average size, but petite.

young woman, and then being in the body of this behemoth. It was definitely something to think about, yeah. It would be insane, and she, she has, she learns, she kind of, and that’s kind of an interesting part about the movie, like it makes her feel empowered. Like, I feel like that’s something the movie is trying to do.

Like, it helps her find her inner child.

Todd: Well, she literally says this later, you know, it, it shouldn’t have been so on the nose, but you know, whatever.

Craig: Meanwhile, on the other end of the spectrum, the killer is just lamenting the fact that his body sucks. Like, it’s not like it gives him more empathy for his victims or anything.

Todd: He just hates that his body is so weak. It’s so funny. It’s like, if Jason were just sort of neutered and now suddenly, like, you know, he’s like a normal human with, feels pain and can’t just throw people up against the wall anymore. And it’s

Craig: a really interesting dynamic for both of them to be able to play as actors.

And I think especially her to play a character that for, you know, legitimate reasons has so much confidence in his. In her body, he initially approaches all of those scenarios with that confidence, and he’s kind of genuinely surprised when he’s easily overtaken because he’s in the body of a small

Todd: woman.

And this movie didn’t need to take such care, and it did, and that’s really It just elevates it, to be honest. It’s pretty good.

Craig: Such, such great, great performances, such great performances. But my favorite part, he, you know, he comes in, he takes a shower, he finds the body, but then he does eventually find his friends, obviously they’re terrified of him and this excellent chase ensues where he’s chasing.

Guys, come on! I’m not trying to hurt you! Like, stop! I’m your friend! And they’re just running away. I swear to God, I’m not going to hurt you! And they’re running and they’re fighting. And eventually they get into the kitchen and they’re fighting. Like, they’re standing off. And this is when Sh She, Millie, pushes one of her friends away, Nyla, and Nyla like goes flying into a wall.

And I think that she maybe pushes Josh too or something, but she realizes her strength and says, Oh my God, I’m so strong. But she’s, I, I love the, at some point she’s like, Look, I’m not going to hurt you. If I were going to, would I put my weapon down? And she puts down whatever weapon she has and she looks at them and they just take that opportunity to start beating the crap out of her.

But, but

Todd: she pushes them away again and they’re on the floor. Once again, just like these movies, she breaks up something, brings up something that only she would know. She starts doing this beaver dance or whatever that I guess they’ve rehearsed or. Isn’t she also in a play with them, and she knows some lines?

It’s all just stuff that we don’t really know about, but it clearly resonates with these two people, and, uh, that it’s unmistakable that, oh my gosh, this is, this is her. They quiz her, too. They start rapid firing questions over here. What’s your favorite band? What’s your favorite movie? And she just spits that out really fast, and that’s enough for them.

Yeah,

Craig: what’s it, what’s your favorite movie? I tell everybody it’s Eternal Sunshine, but it’s really Pitch Perfect 2. It’s cute, and like, it’s rapid fire. They are shooting things at her that only she would know, and she’s got it. Like, because she is her, and then they just believe her. And they’re like, oh my god, this is so crazy.

But they’re concerned about the fact she especially is concerned. About the fact Do they know yet? When do they find out about the dagger?

Todd: This is next. So she, she says something about the dagger, and they decide they need to look it up, because it must have been some magic with the dagger. They look it up on the internet, but all the information they got about it is in Spanish, so they take it to their Spanish teacher, and there’s some funniness there where they’re not that great of students, but their Spanish teacher’s kind of chewing them out for it.

Anyway, they find out from the Spanish teacher and what they found on the internet, That they have to stab him with it. It’s called the dola or something like that by midnight Or the swap will be permanent.

Craig: That’s important 24 hours. Yeah, it becomes permanent after 24 hours But when they I don’t remember exactly, you know at some point they do go to the teacher But there’s also another point where I feel like Nyla is reading information In the bathroom, while Millie is taking a pee in the bathroom.

And I thought this was one of the

Todd: funniest things that I had ever seen. And great sound design too, honestly.

Craig: She’s, she’s peeing in, she’s. Squishing into the stall or whatever. She’s like, Oh my God, this guy’s enormous. And Josh is like, is everything enormous? And then she’s just peeing and she goes, this is ridiculous.

You guys got to see this. It’s like a floppy anteater.

And there’s a point where like the girl distracts her and she turns and she’s like peeing off the side of the toilet, which I thought was such a clever, right? It’s so funny because. Guys are stupid. I mean, we, we get distracted and do that. And we’re used to being in the toilet with our wiener. But I also thought it was funny when you see, you know, it’s everything’s, you know, from like chest up on Vince Vaughn, but you see him like swiveling his hips and you hear a, Flop flop flop flop flop slap slap slap slap.

It’s and he, Millie’s just smiling and giggling. I thought that was so funny because I don’t know, maybe I’m a big pervert, but if I got body swapped, I would like check out my body. That’s all I would do. Really? I feel like if I got swapped with a woman, like. I’ve never been a woman. I’ve never been with a woman.

Like, I’d want to look around, see what’s going on down there. Right. But, this girl, Millie, you know, if she’s as, uh, awkward and virginal as we believe her to be, I fear that she may be facing future disappointment. Vince Vaughn is a big man.

I don’t know. Anyway, I just thought that scene was hilarious. But you’re right. They find out about the dagger. And once they have figured out they’ve got to find the butcher in Millie’s body, they start looking for her and or him. And Millie says he’s here. He’s probably right here in school. And who knows how many people he’ll kill before we get to him.

But then they bump into him immediately after he kills. The jerky shop teacher. Yeah,

Todd: that was brutal and satisfying.

Craig: It was brutal and it was a great scene in the movie. Yeah. I mean, cause he’s such a dick and like the teacher, I can’t say I blame the teacher entirely. He’s too initially rough with him.

With the killer, but the killer is like attacking. So, I mean, you have to practice self defense. I mean, you can’t just let a student beat the crap out of you or whatever.

Todd: But this is kind of the first time. First time, like you said earlier, where you can see that the killer realizes he’s not as strong as he’s used to being.

Because the shopkeeper’s at first really giving him a run for his money. Gleefully so, and the killer in Millie’s body is getting considerably frustrated by it. But, he turns on the table saw, and the minute that table saw goes on, you know, At least you’re hoping that there will be a satisfying payoff, and there certainly is.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. That teacher gets completely bisected, and, uh, it doesn’t leave anything to the imagination. Nope. He pushes him right down it, and you see that body split in half. And it was satisfying, too. Because you, you hated that shot. Yeah,

Craig: I really liked it. You know, I, I love Alan Ruck. I’ve seen him in interviews and stuff.

Like he just seems like a totally chill down to earth guy. He was a terrible character. He was, you know, you hate this guy, but yeah, it was fun seeing him play a dick. It really was. Yeah, it was, it was. But immediately after that, she comes out of there. I think, I don’t know. It doesn’t matter. The three friends and the butcher meet up in the hall.

And the butcher just starts screaming and saying, it’s the butcher. It’s the butcher. He’s trying to get me. It’s pretty smart, which was totally the smart thing to do. And the school guards or the cops or whatever show up and chase them out. And they go on this big car chase for a second. And they end up at the like bargain barn or something because they say, we, everybody knows what you look like.

We have to disguise you. But the bargain barn is also where the mom, Millie’s mom, works. Millie’s sad, alcoholic, widow, mom. You know,

Todd: and Oh my god. This scene Alright, so the scene is that he’s in the dre he slash Millie is in the dressing room changing. And the mom comes in and knocks on the door. And she’s frightened, and then it finds out it’s the mom, and the mom’s like, Oh, I’m so sorry, and it’s like, Oh, no, uh, I’m just in here, you know, trying on, uh, uh, polo shirts.

And the mom’s like, oh, I happen to be an expert in picking out polo shirts for men. And as they get to talking back and forth, she just kind of wants him to, her to go. But the mom kind of wants to stay because she’s suddenly making a connection with this guy. And then she starts talking about her husband.

Oh, my husband used to, I don’t know, wear polo shirts or something like that. And Millie, because it’s already been established, she is, Very protective of her mom like apparently ever since ever since her dad’s death, you know, her older sister accuses her of just like enabling her mom, basically, by just doing everything she wants her to do, not going to the school, going to college because her mom wants her to stick around, all these kinds of things, because she feels sorry for her mom and she wants to be there to support her and love her.

And she’s kind of taking that role on here as well. Like she starts leading the conversation. Oh, I bet he was really nice. Oh yes, he was. And And then I’m, I’m worried about my daughter, of course, it, you know, kind of goes into that. She’s like, oh, I bet your daughter loves you very much. And it becomes this sweet little moment that, to be honest with you, I just didn’t have enough set up for to get emotionally invested in.

Yeah. We barely saw the mom before this. All we knew about her being an alcoholic was seeing that bottle in there. And all we know about the fact that her dad is dead or whatever is, is some comments that people have made since then. It’s just been established. So, I just couldn’t really get into the scene.

I was almost ready for it to be over. It felt shoehorned in.

Craig: I 100 percent get it. The performances sold me. Like, I thought that Vince Vaughn and the woman who played the mom were enough to make me feel for them to make me empathize for them. But you’re right. It does kind of feel shoehorned in. I was going to say earlier when you compared it to the final girls, I very much agree with that in the, in its originality and its impact, but this movie doesn’t have the same emotional gravitas on that movie.

Yes. I cry, cry, cry at the end too. It’s just the relationship between that mother and daughter, even though they don’t even really like the mom doesn’t even really know, but then she kind of knows the end and like, yeah, it kills me. It kills me every time. And this movie doesn’t, you’re right. It, you don’t have enough.

You don’t have enough establishment of those kind of relationships. They’re suggested at the same time. This movie is already close to two hours long. And I don’t know that they had, I think it was probably wise to keep those things light because there’s just so much other stuff going on. They get out of there.

I thought it was hilarious that the only disguise they put him in is a full Aaron Rodgers. Rubber head. Like, that’s not going to look unusual. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Nihilistic. Okay. You’re going to be scary Aaron Rodgers. Like, is there a different kind of Aaron Rodgers? Um, but anyway, so then he’s just running around with that mask.

I guess it was kind of an homage to the Michael Myers mask, I guess for a second. But I don’t, I don’t know. They’re, they’re interested in finding out where the butcher is. And she’s with. Some, they see her on Instagram live on one of the football players instas, and they go to this, uh, arcade, I guess, where they are.

Todd: It’s like one of those little fun centers, but it’s called Grimm Golf, which I thought was cute. It’s like, uh, you know those glow in the dark golf places that are indoors and some shopping malls or whatever? But, but it’s got a horror theme to it. The

Craig: black lights, right?

Todd: Which is cool, because now we get, uh, Again, kind of typical for these movies, right, where they’re going through a deliberately scary place, like a haunted house or something like that.

Craig: Love it.

Todd: Yeah, I loved it. I thought that was cute. So I wanted to go to Grimgolf.

Craig: The friends are all racing there as The butcher is luring Booker, the cute shop kid into that like haunted mini golf. And the, the butcher is planning to kill that kid, but they arrive in time and they save him. But again, because there’s always confusion because Millie looks like a big tall killer.

There’s always confusion. So in the confusion, Booker gets knocked out too, but they do get the butcher tied up. And they take him to Josh’s house cause his mom’s out of town and he’s tied to a chair and Booker wakes up and she, Millie has to explain to him in this body who she is. It’s great. I can’t imitate it.

I can’t remember exactly what she said, but here is seven foot tall, 300 and something pound Vince Vaughn speaking like. A teenage girl, and I’m not just talking about words, I’m not just talking about inflection. He doesn’t put on like a high pitched voice or anything, he just changes his inflection and his mannerisms and his facial expressions are so natural and believable as a teenage girl.

Again, people think it’s easy. That is not easy. That’s hard to do on stage to have a camera right in your face and convincingly portrayed the facial expressions of a, a younger person. You know, I’m just so impressed. And he’s great. This is definitely where it’s most

Todd: impressive. Yeah, for

Craig: sure. And he convinces him Booker.

Oh, because Booker starts to leave, like, I gotta get out of here, and Vince Vaughn recites a very romantic poem that we didn’t know that Millie had written and slipped anonymously into Booker’s locker, so. Yeah, it’s kind of, did we miss that bit where she slipped

Todd: something into his locker, or did that

Craig: just come out of nowhere?

No, we did not. It came out of nowhere. It’s a shame. I think, unless I missed it, I think it came out of nowhere, but we do know for sure that she definitely has a crush on him. Yeah. In fact, that’s one of the identifying questions. Like, when they’re, you know, trying to figure out if it’s really her, who do you have a secret crush on, and she says him.

So anyway, I know, you know, we’re, we’re Push in the hour and we’re close to the end, but there are so many great things that happen. They need to go get the dagger because they need to repeat this thing. So they, and, and Millie knows that it’s at the police station. So they head there and they leave Josh at home with the butcher and at the police station, Nyla lies to the sister cop and gets in and she kind of gets the dagger, but there’s a whole scene.

That happens while she’s in there. While she’s in there, Millie and Booker are in the car. And they’re just talking.

Todd: Oh gosh. It’s

Craig: I Okay. I I’m I’m curious about

Todd: your thoughts on this scene. This scene played too easy for me. I thought it was cute. I thought it was really sweet. How he turned around and they they get to talking.

And. It just becomes this case where he admits to her that he’s been into her and she admits to him that she’s been into him and he’s like, Well, all you had to do was say something and then he’s like, Can I sit in the back? And she’s like, Sure. But it’s, he’s talking to Vince Vaughn. Oh, right. Right. And they just play it as though Vince Vaughn isn’t there.

That is how the scene is played. Like, in this Booker character’s mind, like, he can totally overlook the fact that she looks like a big dude. As he’s talking with her, and I really kind of expected a little more comedy here, honestly, like, I don’t know, I just, it didn’t feel real to me, you know, I mean, I just felt like there was gonna be a little more comedy, where they’re having this sweet moment, but at some point, he’s gonna be a little weirded out, or something silly’s gonna happen You know, to kind of bring them to reality.

Like, all right, well maybe when you’re back in your real body, we’ll, we’ll continue this a little further. She’s actually the

Craig: one that says that, you know, yeah, they do, they, they kiss. Briefly, they do kiss and, and she kind of pushes him away and says, maybe we should wait to do this until my hand isn’t the literal size of your whole head.

See,

Todd: because of, yeah, because of all this, I kind of thought it was going in a direction where maybe Booker was gay or bi or, you know, something like, I

Craig: think what they were going for was that it didn’t matter. He loved. Her, no matter what. Right. He loved the inside. The outside wasn’t important. He says, I can still, I can still see you.

Or something like that. Something very sweet. It’s a sweet message. I can see how it would come across as trite or cliched or even like there being some kind of agenda behind it. But, I felt that they played it so sincerely That I just thought it was sweet. They did. And I swear to God, when, when he said, can I come back there?

Alan and I watched it together the first time. And I said, Oh my God, are they going to go there? And I had no idea where they were going to go, but I did like that they went as far, you know, what we should be more concerned about is the fact that Vince Vaughn is probably old enough to be that kid’s grandpa.

Um, we should probably be a little bit more concerned about that than the fact that they are two men, but I was surprised, but I also thought that it was You know keep it simple. Yeah, that was sweet Let let them kiss for a second and then pull back and say let’s wait a minute Like I thought that was I I liked it.

Todd: Once again, it’s not an 80s slasher movie It does not have those sensibilities. It has very modern sensibilities when it comes to this stuff And so yeah It’s very natural for this to just kind of like be played like it’s no big deal And I mean, you know Christopher Landon’s gay. He came out, when he came out, he thought his career would be over because of it.

Instead, it’s gone on and it’s thrived. And so he’s, you know, he deliberately puts, he’s deliberately put some queer themes or like some gay characters in his movies so that he can treat them with respect and, you know, fight against stereotypes, I guess is what I’m trying to say. And, and so of course I didn’t expect him to put stereotyping or weird homophobic stuff in his movie.

I, I’m just saying, like, it felt a little false. Not that I thought it was, it would be impossible for Josh. Do you

Craig: want me to ask, do you, do you, I was gonna say, do you want me to ask you, like, if you were in that? If a woman that you loved, if her soul, her essence, her character, whatever you want to call it, was against her will, moved into the body of a man, could you still be with her?

I

Todd: mean, this is, this happened like, like he learned about all of this like 10 minutes before. Five minutes ago. Yeah, so I just think it would take, it would just take a little bit more time, right? For that to be, to, to come across. That’s all I’m saying. I, I would think there’d just be a joke made. I would make a quip.

I would make a joke. I would be fighting hard, not against the concept, just, you still have to reconcile the fact that you’re sitting here in this serial killer. Who’s been going around murdering all your friends is having his heart to heart with you. And this is the person whose body they’re in and they smell apparently really bad.

And yeah, I’d at least make a comment, you know?

Craig: Uh, yeah. And, and I, I totally put you on the spot. If you turned the question around on me, I don’t know what the answer would be. I do think that young people today are a little bit less hung up On those things than we are. I think that you and I are both very open minded and everybody should do what they want and be with who they want But I think that we still have some hang ups that young people some of them more of them than when we were young just don’t have like I don’t know.

Maybe I thought I was straight, but I met a guy that I liked and Oh yeah, I mean,

Todd: so what? Who cares? Let’s, let’s, let’s see what happens. I totally agree with all that. I mean, a hundred percent. That isn’t really the issue. I mean, I really don’t think it’s, it’s about the gay, the straight. I mean, the situation here is that five minutes ago, he learned that his girlfriend is now inhabiting the body of this big, hulking, stinking guy who’s murdered people.

And maybe he’s into it. Maybe that’s it.

Craig: I mean, it sounds kind of hot to me. I don’t know.

Todd: Fair enough. These are questions the movie doesn’t answer, but there’s certainly a window interpretation.

Craig: Yeah. And, and we took it into a weird place when in real, in reality, I feel like it was a very simple question. Sweet scene. It was sweet, like, oh, oh, they’re sweethearts like, uh, . But like I said, it’s adorable.

Todd: It’s just the same as that thing with the mom in the changing room. It’s not that I thought that the, it was objectionable. It’s not that I thought, oh, this can’t happen. But in this case, just sort of shoehorned in an awkward way that was trying very hard. To like, not be awkward. Do you know what I’m saying?

Yep. I hear you

Craig: and I respectfully disagree. Okay. Fair enough. I thought it was cute. I liked it. I thought it was a cute little moment. Meanwhile, it doesn’t really matter. There’s a cute thing where Josh’s mom comes home and he tries to explain why he’s got the butcher tied up. With bondage. And she’s like, isn’t bondage a straight thing?

I don’t know. This was a funny little thing, but the butcher somehow he comes to the police station. He gets the dagger. He’s really good. The butcher is actually really good at faking people out as Millie, maybe better than he should be. I don’t know, but he’s good at, he gets the dagger and I don’t really remember exactly what’s going on here.

Was he just going to the, Forbidden high school dance just to kill people for fun.

Todd: Yeah, I wasn’t sure about that either But he had he’s the one who suggested the location for the dance

Craig: Yeah

Todd: because the kids like the dance got canceled right so the kids were planning their own dance and She as Millie happened to be there and said to someone hey Why don’t you do it at the old mill and one of the kids was like, oh my god That’s the perfect place.

And so as kids in this world of these movies do you know within 12 hours? They had a full blown party set up At this location with lights strung everywhere and music and food and the whole nine yards. So yeah, I think he had suggested they all go to the mill so that he, they would be in a convenient spot for him to go in.

Craig: Well, it’s convenient for the plot too because it’s, It’s act three, you know, like act three is when you need to bring everybody together and it’s a bloodbath and the finale and it’s great, you know, you bring all these young people together at this abandoned place and it’s all decorated and everything and the butcher is in there totally incognito because nobody knows who he is because he’s in Millie’s body and Millie has to put the Aaron Rodgers mask back on because everybody does know what he looks like and great stuff happens in here.

The butcher in Millie’s body. Kills a bunch of rapists. Oh, that was great. Ugh. I just hate that those scenes have to exist. Like, I’m glad that they do. Like, let’s turn the tables on these predators. But, yeah, they still just make me Wildly uncomfortable. She kills all those guys.

Todd: She does, yeah. What do I have in my notes?

I said weird takeout with alarm. I have no idea what I meant by that.

Craig: What

Todd: alarm goes off?

Craig: Another kind of odd trope is that Josh kind of gets led away by a seemingly kind of predatory closeted gay football player. Millie and the Butcher end up face to face and she’s a better fighter. But he’s well Stronger, you know, it kind of comes down to them playing to their strengths or whatever and they fight and fight and I don’t remember like They’re up and down.

It’s a great fight scene and then her two friends show up and they’re helping out and they they end up somehow Getting the butcher in Millie’s body down on the ground.

Todd: Mm hmm,

Craig: but then the This was so

Todd: dumb. I’m sorry. This was so dumb She raises her arm to stab this this this guy like she’s supposed to by midnight The alarm goes off on her watch and she stops and lowers her arms like, Oh shit, it’s already midnight.

Like, just do it anyway. Sure. Like, what? Give it a shot. Who says it has to be, like, the stroke of midnight? You don’t know any of this. You don’t even know if this is real. So, like, you know, just, just do it. The fact that she suddenly looks at her watch and sees that and is like, Oh, we missed it. I guess there’s nothing else left to do.

I was like, come on, just stab her anyway. See what happens. What else are you gonna do? But no, they kind of sit, and that just, again, just feels like kind of a written twist. Where that she suddenly remembers that comment from earlier. Oh, I set my alarm five minutes earlier.

Craig: Yeah, at some point we did skip that.

Booker puts his watch on Millie. And she has the flashback. He says, I always set my watch five minutes fast. They’re not behind. And I guess the Millie stabs the butcher in the shoulder again? Mm hmm. And this is like right at midnight. And so I guess because it’s right at midnight, this time they can switch immediately.

Millie. Yeah, right

But they switch immediately and Millie now apparently back in her own body now the first time I saw this I was very Skeptical I was like wait, is it midnight yet? Have they really switched right because they

Todd: continue

Craig: the

Todd: movie

Craig: Her friends ask Millie, they say, who’s your favorite athlete? And she says, nobody, I hate sports.

And so then they believe her. I was like, I feel like that’s something that the butcher maybe could have come up. You were really thinking

Todd: hard through this.

Craig: Well, I thought maybe they hadn’t changed or they hadn’t changed yet because then the cops show up and they shoot the butcher in Vince Vaughn’s body again.

Dead. You presume. And then there’s the great ending where, like, everybody’s great, and the mom and the sister come and, like, you know, hug Millie, and then she’s sitting in the back of the ambulance with Booker, and they kiss, and it’s so cute, and, like, great, the movie’s over. But it’s not, because then you cut to the ambulance, where the butcher is not dead.

But he tricks the paramedics into thinking he is because he takes the heart monitor off of his finger. Then we’re back at Millie’s house and She’s like in bed with her mom and the sister says good night But then Millie gets up to go to bed and she sees that the door’s open And she’s kind of walking around and then the butcher’s right behind her and then I don’t remember all the DLT stuff Details of it, but they fight and eventually she he says something like something I learned from you What did the butcher learn from her?

Do you remember? Oh, anyway, it doesn’t matter She says I learned something from you too. He throws her on the ground She said I learned something from you too, and she kicks him in the nuts And she’s like, ball suck. She got hit in the

Todd: nuts earlier.

Craig: Yeah. And then the mom and the sister both show up and they both fight them.

And this reminded me of that scene at the end of the most recent Halloween trilogy, the first one. And we reviewed where like the grandmother and the mother and the daughter are all fighting the bad guy.

Todd: Right. Right. Yeah.

Craig: They all fight and they all put up a good fight and they’re all getting beat up.

Um, but eventually Millie impales him. And then there’s a fun credit scene that’s like comic book style. And then the end, my final verdict is I really liked this movie. I watched it that one time with Alan. He liked it too. Not a huge horror fan, but he enjoyed it. And then. Going to watch it again. I thought oh, you know, I’ve already seen it It probably won’t be as funny, but it had major rewatch value.

Like I was still so amused. I was still so impressed this is one that I Highly highly recommend. I was just looking at it thinking everything’s good. The acting is good. It looks great Cinematically, it’s paced. Well The the characters are all you’re invested in Good ones and you know who the bad guys are and I can’t really think of much to criticize about.

I think it’s really clever I think the writing is clever funny quippy jokes funny Scenario set up. It’s it’s not brilliant. Like I don’t think that deserves like You know crazy awards or accolades or anything, but just as a fun Movie, I had a blast.

Todd: It’s a popcorn movie. It’s just

Craig: yeah,

Todd: you can even turn your brain off You know, you’re you kind of know where it’s gonna go You kind of see the end result and it’s more or less the same It’s got a couple little surprises in there, but more than anything It’s just about watching some great actors do great acting and quite a romp.

It doesn’t take itself very seriously It’s just And then, you know, for real horror fans, it gets some brutal gore and kills in there as well. You know, in a way, I guess I can understand why you’d go PG 13 on a movie like Final Girls is because maybe you want to widen the audience.

Craig: Yeah, before, when you were talking about it before, I was going to say, I kind of appreciate that that movie is a little bit more chaste.

Mm hmm.

Todd: Um Because you can show it to more people. Yeah.

Craig: Yeah.

Todd: And, and I think about this and I, I’m, I’m watching it and I’m thinking, oh, so and so might like this, but then I’m like, ah, it’s gonna be too gory for them. And so then, right. Sure. You know, then that kind of, kind of xs that out. So, but not for me.

it worked for me too, and I think it would work for a lot of horror fans and it’s just fun. It’s just a fun not so serious comedy, much like the source material is kind of based on those Freaky Friday movies. Just kind of fun, mindless, silly. Entertainment. And I enjoyed it. Me too. Well, thank you so much for listening to this episode.

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