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The Dark Side of Native Plants with Host Stephanie Barelman
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The Dark Side of Native Plants: Fandoms, Gatekeeping, Anxiety, Pretense, and What You Can Do To Avoid Their Pitfalls
Episode Introduction
In today’s episode, The Dark Side of Native Plants: Fandoms, Gatekeeping, Anxiety, Pretense, and What You Can Do To Avoid Their Pitfalls, we discuss exactly that.
Host Stephanie Barelman
Stephanie Barelman is the founder of the Bellevue Native Plant Society, a midwest motivational speaker surrounding the native plants dialogue, and host of the Plant Native Nebraska Podcast.
Episode Sponsors
Today's episode is sponsored by:
Midwest Natives Nursery
www.midwestnativesnursery.com/
https://www.facebook.com/midwestnatives
https://www.instagram.com/midwest_natives_nursery
Lauritzen Gardens
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Episode Content
ATTENTION: Today’s episode is marked explicit for a single, well-placed F-bomb.
Roadblocks to Our New Way of Life
- Interesting opinions-from surprising sources!
- Expensive workshops
- Paywalls
- Feeling like you have to sign up for email lists
Today’s Public Service Announcement:
Beware of the Gatekeepers
You DON’T need to buy a certain book, or take certain classes. There are wonderful organizations that work very hard to provide this education to you for FREE such as:
- The Xerces Society
- Pollinator Partnership
- Homegrown National Park
- National Wildlife Federation
That being said, we DO recommend wonderful authors on our show such as:
- Heather Holm
- Douglas Tallamy
- Jim Locklear
- Rick Darke
- Enrique Salmon
- Benjamin Vogt
We also DO recommend local plant suppliers that provide affordable plant material such as:
- Midwest Natives Nursery
- Bumbling Bee Native Wildflowers
- Prairie Legacy
- Prairie Plains Institute
- Nebraska Statewide Arboretum
And remember: there’s no one way to do anything!
Patreon Disclaimer
We (if the gods allow) occasionally put content on our Patreon. But if you need this info for FREE, please email plantnativenebraska@outlook.com. Just because I am trying to make a living doesn’t mean we will keep you from the good stuff.
Examples of Negative (and Subjective) Plant Opinions
Just because you are enthusiastic about native plants doesn’t mean you have to accept EVERYTHING a (sort of)native plants person you admire says.
As said by Piet Oudolf, natural landscapes garden designer, in one of his books:
- Joe Pye weed= nothing more than ‘not unattractive’
- sneezeweed = too exuberant
- goldenrod and sunflower= overfamiliar
- foliage of rudbeckia is “uninspiring”
- Rudbeckia flowers are uninteresting
- goldenrod is a “garish yellow”
As said by Piet Oudolf and landscape designer and host John McGee on the Native Plant Podcast (not to be confused with our podcast:)
- Adding prairie dropseed is enough to make a landscape “look” wild
- The primary point of a garden is to give people pleasure
- Nettles in a design would put someone out of work
- Certain natives are invasive (leading to endless mental and actual debate, more on that in a minute)
- It’s not our place to make nature in our gardens... wait, what?
Controversial statement by the late Toby Hemenway, a 2000s garden author, professor, environmentalist:
- Native gardens are pointless in the grand scheme of things when it comes to conservation and that your little suburban garden isn’t going to save any species…
Ben Vogt, Lincoln landscape designer and seeming native plant activist:
- Gray-headed coneflower looks overgrown and overwhelms spaces, trees and shrubs should be short or narrow and very limited in the landscape
Traditional seeming negative opinions I've heard and read:
- Violets are an invasive weed worthy of spraying chemicals on their lawn to remove I.e. kill.
- Butterflies and caterpillars are pests!
Hold on, Can Native Plants be Invasive?
Depends who you are asking...
Although, can something be invasive if it isn’t foreign or is it just robust? Is a plant civilization truly noxious and undesirable simply because it has evolved to be such a strong survivor in prime conditions? Maybe something like complete obliteration of its natural ecosystem where more checks and balances were in place?!?!
Some Important Differences Between Being a Native Plant Person vs. Being a Landscape Designer:
Native plant expert: promotes native plants in the landscape
Designer: promotes certain plants in the landscape
Native plant expert: motivated by ecology
Designer: motivated by income flow
The Whole Point of the Native Plants Movement
to use native plants to reintroduce nature to our landscapes, right?
DON'T Conflate Opinion with Academic Expertise
Before you take someone’s advice on what plants could be considered, consider considering them.
But surprise this whole episode is my opinion!
Have You Been Told To Avoid Any of the Following?
- Indian grass
- big bluestem
- common milkweed
- Verbena stricta
- goldenrod
- sunflowers
- New England aster
- tall boneset
- hyssops
- obedient plant
- all Silphium sp.
Have You Heard the Following Terms:
- opportunistic
- aggressive
- invasive
- problematic
- garden thuggery
- and the new one I’ve heard lately: gregarious
Have You Been Told Things Using This Language:
- well-behaved
- safe
- low-maitenence
- no-fuss
- “not too tall…”
In Defense of Common Milkweed…
“Perhaps most of us fall in love with the idea of milkweeds, when we hear they host the very beloved monarch butterfly. We do our best to plant natives and inevitably we may come across someone giving away loads of common milkweed. Later on, we may regard anyone giving away hoards of a single variety of plant as a red flag. We may start to talk to our garden people about plants that are “too aggressive.” We may come to view plants like common milkweed as not worthy of our gardens and banish them along with native sunflowers, roses, wild mint, and other spreading plants into some dark recess of the native plants mindset. But, and hear me out on this, have you gone up to a common milkweed in bloom and stuck your nose right up in the flowers? Have you? Because by God, it smells like a fever dream. It’s a marvelously nutritious plant for humans and wildlife. It looks unique. It’s always buzzing with activity. It’s a fucking symbol of the prairie and we can’t banish it, guys. Give common milkweed a chance. Find somewhere to put it and for the love of all things garden worthy, stop and smell it once in a while.”
Keep It Simple
Plant what you, pollinators, and your kids love. Do your best to know what plants better support ecology and don’t let other people’s opinions be the gatekeeper for your gardens. Remember that the literature is mostly written by opinionated landscape designers and try to distinguish between fact and commentary.
Don’t stay away from all goldenrods and sunflowers just because you are told to. For the best plants ecology wise, refer to ecoregion guides like these:
https://pollinator.org/PDFs/Guides/PrairieParklandrx12FINAL.pdf
https://xerces.org/sites/default/files/publications/22-027_01_NPPBI%E2%80%94NorthernPlains_web.pdf
https://nativeplantfinder.nwf.org/Plants
Instead of Avoiding Plants, We Can Learn How to Manage Them!
Too tall? Plant it at the back of the border or cut it back in June. Spread too much? Plant it in a container in the ground.
"For Wild Spaces Only"
If it’s only good for wild spaces, what will we do when wild spaces no longer exist?
Even if the developer/business owner/ new homeowner/ landlord is progressive, do you think sunflowers and goldenrod will be allowed to exist, if the most progressive among us are placing it dead center on a planting hit-list?
In Closing
Take scare posts with a grain of salt, feel free to disregard or flat out reject this entire episode, look away from the paywalls, look to the people who are passion-driven, who simply won’t shut up about how much they love plants ever.
The native plants movement-and in logical succession- this podcast and other native plant podcasts should resonate with one singular effort- to help native species continue on into the future and to reignite their use in landscapes.
Gardening Isn’t Rocket Science
At its very essence, gardening is an appreciation for life on earth, the wonder of nature, the art of paying attention, and trying to leave something wholesome, lasting, and beneficial for generations of people and creatures to come
Thank you all so much for listening and your continued support of the podcast and native plants!!!!!
Additional Content Related to This Episode
What Makes a Plant Native?
http://bonap.net/fieldmaps Biota of North America North American Plant Atlas database-select Nebraska
https://bellevuenativeplants.org Bellevue Native Plant Society
native (wild type) vs. nativar/native cultivar (native plant cultivated by humans for desirable characteristics)
Local Plant Suppliers
Midwest Natives Nursery
Great Plains Nursery
Nebraska Statewide Arboretum
Prairie Legacy Nursery
Mulhall's
Online Plant Suppliers
Prairie Moon Nursery
Prairie Nursery
Stock Seed
On the Web
BONAP aforementioned
Bellevue Native Plant Society on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/bellevuenativeplantsociety
Books & Authors
Rick Darke- The Living Landscape
Douglas Tallamy- Professor and Chair of the Department of Wildlife Ecology and Entomology at the University of Delaware, author of The Living Landscape, Nature's Best Hope, naturalist, and curator of "Homegrown National Park".
Enrique Salmon- Iwigara
Daniel Moerman -Native American Ethnobotany
Heather Holm- https://www.pollinatorsnativeplants.com
Native Plants of the Midwest
Planting in a Post-Wild World
Jon Farrar's Field Guide to Wildflowers of Nebraska
Additional Resources
- NSA at https://www.plantnebraska.org great articles and downloads
- Xerxes Society- champions of pollinator health
- Native Plant Finder- https://www.nwf.org/nativeplantfinder/
Other Local Organizations
- Green Bellevue
- PATH
- Milkweed Matters
- Nebraska Native Plant Society
Listen, Rate, and Subscribe!
Get some merch! https://plant-native-nebraska.myspreadshop.com/
Find us on Facebook
Visit our homepage https://plant-native-nebraska.captivate.fm
Give us a review on Podchaser! www.podchaser.com/PlantNativeNebraska
Support My Work via Patreon
The Plant Native Nebraska podcast can be found on the podcast app of your choice.
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