#51 Shu Hattori and Andrew Chou: The McKinsey Edge

Investing by the Books

Shu Hattori has more than fifteen years of experience in management consulting, turnarounds & venture-backed start-ups, with employers including McKinsey, Groupon, and Alix Partners. Shu is now building Japan’s first serial acquirer - Pinecone, together with Andrew Chou. Our conversation builds upon Shu’s book, The McKinsey Edge. We talk about what investors can learn from consultants, thoughts on decentralization, and the vision for Pinecone.

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This episode was recorded on Oct 11, 2023.

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Episode Chapters

(00:00) Introduction by Eddie & Niklas

(03:03) Welcoming Shu and Andrew

(08:17) How Shu’s book came about

(12:17) When was the last time I did X

(15:22) Asking second-order questions

(18:46) Thoughts on taking notes

(25:48) Learning to be passionate about your work

(28:58) Pinecone - The first serial acquirer in Japan

(44:00) The addressable market for serial acquirers in Japan

(47:36) Finding the right managers to run the businesses

(49:40) Are there more serial acquirers coming up in Japan?

(51:23) Why Pinecone?

(52:47) Decentralization at Pinecone

(56:04) Applying the McKinsey principles for building a serial acquirer

(01:01:18) Would Shu hire McKinsey consultants in the companies they acquire?

(01:02:55) Book discussions

(01:11:08) Job opportunities at Pinecone

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Books Mentioned

• The McKinsey Edge - Shu Hattori
• The Outsiders - William Thorndike
• The Essays of Warren Buffett - Lawrence Cunningham
• 7 Habits of Highly Effective People - Stephen R. Covey
• Don’t Sweat the Small Stuff - Richard Carlson
• Outliers - Malcolm Gladwell
• David and Goliath - Malcolm Gladwell
• Influence - Robert Cialdini
• The Psychology of Money - Morgan Housel
• The Magic of Thinking Big - David J. Schwartz
• Immunity to Change - Robert Kegan and Lisa Laskow Lahey

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Companies Mentioned

• Danaher
• LVMH
• McKinsey

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More on Shu and Andrew

Pinecone's website (English landing page)

Shu's LinkedIn

Andrew's LinkedIn

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About the Podcast

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