Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

Decoder with Nilay Patel

We have a very special episode of Decoder today. It’s become a tradition every fall to have Verge deputy editor Alex Heath interview Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg on the show at Meta Connect. This year, before his interview with Mark, Alex got to try a new pair of experimental AR glasses the company is calling Orion.

Alex talked to Mark about a whole lot more, including why the company is investing so heavily in AR, why he's shifted away from politics, Mark's thoughts on the link between teen mental health and social media, and why the Meta chief executive is done apologizing for corporate scandals like Cambridge Analytica that he feels were overblown and misrepresented.

Links:

• Hands-on with Orion, Meta’s first pair of AR glasses | The Verge
• The biggest news from Meta Connect 2024 | The Verge
• Mark Zuckerberg: publishers ‘overestimate the value’ of their work for training AI | The Verge
• Meta extends its Ray-Ban smart glasses deal beyond 2030 | The Verge
• The Ray-Ban Meta smart glasses actually make the future look cool | The Verge
• Meta has a major opportunity to win the AI hardware race | The Verge
• Instagram is putting every teen into more private and restrictive new account | The Verge
• Threads isn’t for news and politics, says Instagram’s boss | The Verge
• Facebook puts news on the back burner | The Verge
• Meta is losing a billion dollars on VR and AR every single month | The Verge

Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/24017522

Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt; our editor is Callie Wright. This episode was additionally produced by Brett Putman and Vjeran Pavic. Our supervising producer is Liam James.

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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