12 – Why Ukraine Must Win – and What Germany Needs to Do [Part 1]

BerlinsideOut

In a very special BerlinsideOut, Ben and Aaron are joined by HE Olha Stefanishyna, Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration directly after her keynote speech at the DGAP on 24/11/2023 - in which she outlined not only why Ukraine must win, but also why EU and NATO accession would benefit all Europeans, including Germans.

We discuss the problems of Europe’s current Ukraine strategy, which locks in the costs of defeat without securing the benefits of victory with German parliamentarians Dr Kristian Klinck MdB (SPD) and Alexander Müller (FDP), as well as retired Australian Army Major General Mick Ryan, author of “Futura Doctrina” on Substack as well as one of the most prominent and insightful commentators on the war – and why Ukraine needs to win it.

Guests:

• HE Olha Stefanishyna, Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration (@stefanishynaO)
• Dr Kristian Klinck, MdB, Member of the German Bundestag Defence Committee (@KristianKlinck)
• Alexander Müller, MdB, Speaker for the FDP on the German Bundestag Defence Committee (@alexmuellerfdp)
• Mick Ryan, Retired Australian Army Major General and Author (@WarintheFuture)

Resources:

• Europe’s Ukraine Strategy: The Costs of Defeat Without the Benefits of Victory, Remarks by HE Olha Stefanishyna at the German Council on Foreign Relations, 24/11/2023
• Ukraine’s Deputy PM: We’ll do whatever it takes to join the EU, Interview with Deutsche Welle by HE Olha Stefanishyna
• Breaking out of positional warfare in 2024 Mick Ryan, Futura Doctrina
• Who’s Afraid of (Ukrainian) victory, Benjamin Tallis & Julian Stöckle
• Germany’s wilful ignorance is hurting Ukraine, Aaron Gasch Burnett, The Spectator
• Why Ukraine should get an invitation to NATO, Alyona Getmanchuk & Olena Halushka
• Germans want their government to do more for Ukraine, Aaron Gasch Burnett, Open Canada
• Security Guarantees for Ukraine: Until NATO Membership, Extending the Joint Expeditionary Force Is the Best Option, Benjamin Tallis, DGAP Policy Brief
• Ukraine Doesn’t Need Half-Measures From the EU: Europeans should learn from the success of enlarging the bloc, Benjamin Tallis, Foreign Policy
• Drop the Excuses and Embrace Ukraine, Benjamin Tallis, Council on Geostrategy

This podcast is an original production of the German Council on Foreign Relations (DGAP). It was created as part of DGAP's Action Group Zeitenwende.

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