290. Douglas Murray & Jonathan Pageau

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Jonathan Pageau, Douglas Murray, and Dr Jordan B Peterson discuss our hierarchies of perception, existence, faith, and whether meaning is a self evident truth or something intangible that is sought in vain.

Jonathan Pageau is a French-Canadian liturgical artist and icon carver, known for his work featured in museums across the world. He carves Eastern Orthodox and other traditional images, and teaches an online carving class. He also runs a YouTube channel dedicated to the exploration of symbolism across history and religion.

Douglas Murray is a British political commentator and author. In 2007 he founded a think tank called the Center for Social Cohesion, which later became part of the Henry Jackson Society. Currently he is an associate editor for the magazine the Spectator, where he became somewhat infamous after organizing a competition in which entrants were invited to submit offensive poems about Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, with a top prize of £1,000. He has authored five books, the most recent of which being “The War on the West.”


For Douglass Murray:

Website: https://douglasmurray.net/

(Book) The War on the West: https://www.amazon.com/War-West-Douglas-Murray/dp/0063162024/

(Book) The Strange Death of Europe: https://www.amazon.com/Strange-Death-Europe-Immigration-Identity-ebook/dp/B07J4G6P1T/ref=sr_1_1?crid=IZ93P44GH6II&keywords=the+strange+death+of+europe&qid=1663609075&s=digital-text&sprefix=the+strange+death+of+europe%2Cdigital-text%2C75&sr=1-1

For Jonathan Pageau:

Icon Carving: http://www.pageaucarvings.com

Podcast: www.thesymbolicworld.com

Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/JonathanPageau


(0:00) Coming Up

(1:10) Intro

(4:18) A Precondition for a Rational World View

(10:29) The Battle of Conceptions

(14:55) Perceived Unity and the Glass

(21:58) Do Science and Religion Overlap?

(29:41) The Hierarchy of Perception and Action

(38:45) The Bible Was Not Written Forensically

(48:25) Using the Least Possible Thing to Describe the Realness of Everything

(57:07) Are We Meaning-Seeking Beings, or is There Meaning?

(1:05:56) To What Degree Does Something Exist Prior to Elaboration?

(1:12:04) The Cause of Demoralization in Our Society

(1:17:58) The Advantage of Organized Religion


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